Why Our Villains Are Different Now (Thanos, The Joker, Killmonger) - Wisecrack Edition

20 nov. 2018
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Something is happening with today's villains. In this Wisecrack Edition, we argue that a shift is occurring in how villains are made. To understand what the shift means, we survey cinematic villains from the 1950s to today.
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Research by: Jeanette Moreland
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  • Thank you for your video. It was very interesting. I wonder if anyone else has thought of the villains in Westworld? The events of 2020 seem to suggest to me that the villains in Westworld aren't the bad guys at all, but are in fact the responsible side. Dolores isn't as good as she is presented. As the events of 2020 show, people can't be trusted. There are too many stupid people. Everyone should be wearing masks, but there are still millions that refuse to wear them because of these people's weak understanding of science, health, and just reality itself.

    samoth175samoth175Il y a 2 jours
  • Funny is that the US is the literal villain of latin america in some here see US as allies and heroes.

    Tiago MTiago MIl y a 8 jours
  • Thanos is someone we need, but will never have.

    John Paul OcampoJohn Paul OcampoIl y a 10 jours
  • Lol these are all comic book villains

    Tshita MaponoponoTshita MaponoponoIl y a 11 jours
  • I think it would be very interesting for heroes to be more reformers than protectors like to change people, systems and world for the better but not too extreme.

    Jonathan NolanJonathan NolanIl y a 11 jours
  • THE IRONY OF YOUR SUMMARY OF THE CHANGE OF OUR VILANS IS TERRIFYINGLY OBLIVIOUS. Instead try to imagine if the greatest villain of all time, wanted to change the perspective of how we feel about villains. To give us sympathy for the devil, if you will in-order to corrupt a good society. The gentle nudging of our perspective would follow the same generational path you have described here. Till Lucifer himself would one day star in his own show as the protagonist. Thus destroying the beautiful creation, he jealously hates.

    TheErraticTheoryTheErraticTheoryIl y a 11 jours
  • I found myself understanding Nagito Komaeda's reason and logic and realized that I should probably go into a mental asylum.

    DraxionDraxionIl y a 24 jours
  • AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH if anyone ever again mistakes anomy with anarchy im gonna burn the next puppy I can find. You killed that puppy, be warned!

    Armin HassnagelArmin HassnagelIl y a 25 jours
  • I did not see your video and I will not. Why do you think that villains should be more or less the same? It does not make any sense to me.

    Aiban QuaidAiban QuaidIl y a 27 jours
  • James Bond is American? At best, a facile analysis of the topic.

    C CC CIl y a 29 jours
  • Any film that's pro establishment is propaganda not art.

    A Van Called RupertA Van Called RupertIl y a mois
  • tbh TDK Joker maybe not be as powerful as Thanos or Darth Vader but the way he executed things on his own favor simply shows how nightmarish of a villain he truly is to anyone who crossed his path... simply hes the definition of the word “ CHAOS “

    Sorceress Supreme Jen C GarciaSorceress Supreme Jen C GarciaIl y a mois
  • They were fickle before the world knew what it was. I spent the first 30 years of my life in a state of near self mutilation just to beat their unrealistic expectations and was met with jealousy, resentment, destruction of family relationships for having met success. They lack a commitment to their very own kin.

    Wii're Having A Ball... NintenDOES! Nation [HD]Wii're Having A Ball... NintenDOES! Nation [HD]Il y a mois
  • I feel like you missed the section where in the 90s every bad guy was someone or something to do with humans and pollution

    Meghan SalazarMeghan SalazarIl y a mois
  • Sounds like Communist sympathizers

    Nomaid WanderNomaid WanderIl y a mois
  • You forgot about the fact there were other movements that took place in the 1960’s like gay rights and the farm workers labor movement. The 1960’s was a time when people wanted a lot of radical changes to take place in the world. This was reflected by James Bond villains, for example, that were constantly trying to take over the world. The 1990’s featured movies like New Jack City, Boyz In The Hood, and Menace To Society that reflected the reality of the Reagan/Bush policies of the 80’s and early 90’s. Policies by these two presidents clearly neglected the concerns of inner city minorities, namely young Black Americans. Otherwise I thought your presentation was very good.

    Paul MontoyaPaul MontoyaIl y a mois
  • they didn't mention the vulture from Spider-man homecoming? the hell?

    Derek ShaoDerek ShaoIl y a mois
    • frworld.info/net/vid-o/sn2ghc59p2rdsm8 2020 new trailer

      Luke MacDonaldLuke MacDonaldIl y a mois
  • How could you not mention watchmen movie

    SatyaSatyaIl y a mois
  • If you like villains who make a good point, you should watch Utopia amazon

    La ShayLa ShayIl y a mois
  • The bad guys are the corporations and religious zealots. Let's get it right.

    Dark RainbowDark RainbowIl y a mois
  • -Sophocles has left the chat

    Josh SmithJosh SmithIl y a mois
  • "less radical but positive"= didn't change a damn thing

    Camron WrightCamron WrightIl y a mois
  • I'm pretty sure 'Karens' will be the next step in movie villains

    thanerosthanerosIl y a mois
  • @18:30 this is what white people are afraid of.

    Spittin' GameSpittin' GameIl y a mois
  • "In cinema, villains are always interesting, while the good guys are dull. In real life however, it's the evil that's dull and always the same, and the good which is always interesting and unexpected" (c) Ekaterina Schulmann

    Дуотт ДаэнурДуотт ДаэнурIl y a mois
  • All the next villians are gonna be corona flavoured

    Rainop DeWildeRainop DeWildeIl y a mois
  • All just a coincidence, right. No agenda in Hollywood, nah.

    GCNavigatorGCNavigatorIl y a mois
  • He forgot about Adrian Veidt, AKA: Ozymandias. Henry Cavil's character in Mission Impossible, practically stole his M.O.

    linden carloslinden carlosIl y a mois
  • What we are afraid of now is the truth and change which are the only reasons they are villains. these villains are feared because they're form of releasing the truth and fixing the world was different because they weren't politicians or freedom fighter...I would go on but...I'm left uninspired

    Theo RadimoTheo RadimoIl y a mois
  • @6:20 Nurse Ratchet turned the patients into " GHOSTS" of themselves... Ah, I see what you did there. Clever.... how's that working out for you? I mean being clever.

    rush1errush1erIl y a mois
  • Or almost every Naruto villains

    Rishav RaiRishav RaiIl y a mois
  • Black panther was a joke 😂🤣😂🤣

    no nameno nameIl y a 2 mois
  • Watchmen also had a villian who's evil act was done to bring people together

    David BoerstDavid BoerstIl y a 2 mois
  • Movies through the ages are a compacted viewing into the struggles of each time from a certain viewpoint . Fucked up to see the essential beliefs that civil rights activist fought for, be abused and morphed by the very people who fought against those beliefs to begin with. We are at the point of no longer sitting by idle as people our fellow countryman (Americans) and those who come, pledge and contribute to its longevity, be attacked at every level by the evil nature developed in its earlier years. It’s time to vomit out the ideals built by white supremacy America and rebuild its systems to fit around everyone as our current is strategically tweaked to ensure we have a prison slave population which is at our current stage of knowledge is morally bankrupt and barbaric. Don’t know how we went so long without realizing the literal and abundantly clear issues. We play coy as if these beliefs aren’t built in the favor of those old demonic, selfish beliefs that depend on fear, greed and most of all love. They abused the love you had for one another (family) in those harsh old times as a tool for manipulation. Same as trumps codes messages Jus sad shit man. You seriously gonna sit while it happens again? This is the time to clutch the age. Redemption, a warriors wet dream

    DonDonIl y a 2 mois
  • Why is this video very american

    Kw hoan KimKw hoan KimIl y a 2 mois
  • 18:42 "The sun will never set on the Wakandan Empire" This has to be the most counterproductive statement ever uttered during that whole movie. This guy, this guy right here says the very thing he despised. His whole existance is a paradox at this point.

    Art LoverArt LoverIl y a 2 mois
  • What about The Purge movies where everyone's "allowed" to be the villain?

    Kalila WatsonKalila WatsonIl y a 2 mois
  • I think that the new villains are coming back to be the literal nazis, but with social media... It fits the time.

    Arthur RPArthur RPIl y a 2 mois
  • Is there a list of all mentioned movies in this video?

    Micholas RiveraMicholas RiveraIl y a 2 mois
  • ‘Every villain is a hero of an untold story...’

    Illustrious ShadowIllustrious ShadowIl y a 2 mois
  • How could you possibly skip over Magneto and Charles Xavier?

    RamirRamirIl y a 2 mois
  • I feel like the world is making Anti Villians. Its a good thibg yes but i hope Villians who are just bad don't go obsolete.

    Scott MachaserScott MachaserIl y a 2 mois
  • If there is one thing on which I agree with you is that villains have always been a projection of the audience's fears; memorable villains at least. I couldn't possibly predict where this is going because I do not live in the U.S. and my perception of U.S. citizen's fears is marred with media and bias. A U.S. citizen is probably too close to the scenery to notice the big picture so I doubt one could do it either. But, since I am writing this on September 2020, and you are reading this post September 2020 you probably know what comes next. COVID.

    moradan81moradan81Il y a 2 mois
  • This is a bit like Darkstalker. Slight Spoilers for Wings Of Fire. He wanted a change for the better, but he went about it by manipulation of other dragons and attempting to wipe out an entire species by illness.

    Ella JamesonElla JamesonIl y a 2 mois
  • Metropoles?

    Walter Mansolelli NetoWalter Mansolelli NetoIl y a 2 mois
  • The 70's was a great decade for movies

    Sebastian NordlundSebastian NordlundIl y a 3 mois
  • You can't talk about villains without mentioning Pain and Nagato.

    Dank PosterDank PosterIl y a 3 mois
  • I suspect future villains are going to be people in power digging their heels in the ground resisting change even as their inaction brings the deaths and suffering of those around them.

    enip284enip284Il y a 3 mois
  • Everyone: Types like this: As if everything: Is dialogue: In a playscript. Me: Please stop.

    mdiemmdiemIl y a 3 mois
  • So yeah, would be cool if the spoiler warning would be a bit more specific. Like, say, maybe an actual list of movies and/or shows that will be spoilered?

    Frederik LaubischFrederik LaubischIl y a 3 mois
  • I think there’s a crucial commonality between all of the modern villains and that’s the narcissism that comes along with deciding you can be the judge of being and thinking that the solution to the worlds problems is so simple only they could see it

    Jesse CateJesse CateIl y a 3 mois
  • I may sympathetize with Warmonger, he's a terrorist, but for a just cause. I cannot empathize for Thanos. A guy with endless powers whom only thought to solve a crisis is to kill half of the population is a psychopath, not just a person with bad methods ^^'

    Krankar VolundKrankar VolundIl y a 3 mois
  • Jason here I'm just a Storyteller and I've been trying to work on the concept of villains and I'm going to take whatever you just said back there into the context of how I'm going to betray my newest one or old/new known as The Shadow let's just say he's the devil that's all what he is you can say he's trying to bug you can say he's Lucifer he's just the very first evil that was ever created and he only exist for the context of being evil he's kind of like the other or a brand new version of the other if you want to call him that and Salazar is Tartarus or someone who wants to be a God but he's not really evil per say he's just trying to bring down Society or break the rules of reality quotes quote so that's it

    Jason HelquistJason HelquistIl y a 3 mois
  • The new villains will be those preserving anything from the past. They stand in the way of the new "utopia".

    speed racerspeed racerIl y a 3 mois
  • Villans are trying to fix problems

    Rai StarRai StarIl y a 3 mois
  • I just watched Orsen Welles' Touch of Evil for the first time. The villain in that movie is pretty dang complex for 1958. Tho Orson Welles was way ahead of his time.

    Torgo SavesTorgo SavesIl y a 3 mois
  • Star Wars is about rebels vs a massive empire. Not a simple black-and-white good vs evil.

    Azure VolticAzure VolticIl y a 3 mois
  • Villain is the hero whose story isn't yet told

    Wasim MeerWasim MeerIl y a 3 mois
  • What movie is at 7:48 ? One of my family members has a framed sketch of those characters but I never got around to asking what movie they were from

    Darkshadow5566Darkshadow5566Il y a 4 mois
  • We need more villains that manipulate public knowledge for their gain. That's a huge thing in our world today.

    Liam McGillivrayLiam McGillivrayIl y a 4 mois
  • This kind of shows the insane twist of society, where good can be called bad, and what is bad is called good, that has happened lately. Society didnt just accept this crazy ideas all of a sudden, it took time to twist some people's minds into thinking that such things like defunding the police and letting violent rioters to whatever they want and get mad at the people trying to do something. Scary video in light of today's world.

    Jonathan SpiveyJonathan SpiveyIl y a 4 mois
  • 9:05 you didn’t even mention dearth Vader being Luke’s father, this I think it would be a good topic to discuss in this video.

    Jarod 1999Jarod 1999Il y a 4 mois
  • I have a feeling that had this video come out this year, villains like Arthur Fleck and Mysterio would’ve been included.

    Allistor BAllistor BIl y a 4 mois
  • You really should have gone in depth with Danny Glover in switch back

    Instantly BrokenInstantly BrokenIl y a 4 mois
  • This makes me think about "Us". The villains have become us. The world! And we dont know whats right!

    holysugarmuffin1holysugarmuffin1Il y a 4 mois
  • 4:58 hey that's Roy!

    Walter KovacsWalter KovacsIl y a 4 mois
  • Killmonger and thanos are good examples of why despite being well intentioned, they are still villains. Thanos wanted to avert population collapse by resource scarcity by causing population collapse via infinity gauntlet. Killmonger wanted to destroy a system of white supremacy, only to replace it with a system of black supremacy. They want to challenge the status quo, but their solutions are just the status quo with them on top. They aren't hero's because they are too proud to find any difference.

    Nikolas CoffeyNikolas CoffeyIl y a 4 mois
  • I wish philosophical villains had more iron clad methods. Like with Thanos, the idea that the population would grow to max capacity after 40 years or so takes the wind out of his plans and makes him very wishy washy. Also, I think villains like the joker, someone who is just purely unreasonable is very entertaining and should make a return.

    Al CAl CIl y a 4 mois
  • wisecrack: papyrus and sans had a baby undertale rule 34 fans: i thought you never gonna ask

    suckster. comsuckster. comIl y a 4 mois
  • 4:01 Didn't know Andy Murray was a movie star

    EdEdIl y a 4 mois
  • I love your video. I called Thanos at 20 mins... but in some ways I understand. (Which demonstrates that duality that we have.) It really reminds me of the Viking rune Hagalaz. The generalization of that rune: We fell great hardship and lose everything, but from that, things will grow to be better. It is the winterturning into spring. We eradicate everything in hopes of a new world. Right now the world is at odds. But the uprising in the US right now... can we see something for the better? it is based on this principle. Burn it all down to regrow. Good video... even two years after the fact.

    Bridgette StonestreetBridgette StonestreetIl y a 4 mois
  • Wait, did he just say, “Moe-dih-cum”??! Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it supposed to be, “Maw-dih-cum” But I absolutely could one million percent be completely mistake and if that’s the case please let me know. I only ask, please don’t be a dick about it

    SamuraisahsahSamuraisahsahIl y a 4 mois
  • I always liked Shane from the walking dead because he almost wasn’t a bad guy - partly because of the actors great acting and that you get to see his journey from essentially a good guy with some heel like tendency’s to seemingly an antagonist (though I would argue more of a red herring based on the groups actions in later seasons) by way of one difficult choice after another leading him down a dark path

    Joshua Runs-With-WolvesJoshua Runs-With-WolvesIl y a 4 mois
  • Make as many shitty movies about me as possible I’ll still never change

    Dan the crusaderDan the crusaderIl y a 4 mois
  • You know how happy I am to have found this channel!!!

    Sandal WaliaSandal WaliaIl y a 4 mois
  • WHAT ABOUT OZYMANDIAS FROM WATCHMEN?????

    Dj PattersonDj PattersonIl y a 4 mois
  • I swear, this guy has predicted 2020 in 2019

    GravtyCatGravtyCatIl y a 5 mois
  • Wisecrack: "Ewoks are reminiscent of the viet cong" Me: wat

    Captain BucketCaptain BucketIl y a 5 mois
    • guerilla warefare tactics while fighting in a jungle

      IvanehtnoijIvanehtnoijIl y a 2 mois
  • Ras Al Ghul actually had a noble cause,it had to do with the corruption of society,and the leauge wanting to reset everything...in the comics he's an environmental terrorist...that's what ruined the point you were making you lied about his goals...to say these goals are recent...same with Joker...Joker wanted to show that people were evil and selfish at heart and not worth saving,hence the ending where he gave people detonators

    Dave ThomasDave ThomasIl y a 5 mois
  • he rly called gotham metropolis

    Emerson CutcliffeEmerson CutcliffeIl y a 5 mois
  • Sometimes villains just want what's best for society and heroes are only stopping their motivation because they have a bad reputation

    Exotic ButtersExotic ButtersIl y a 5 mois
  • The simple blessing of having a choice presents us with the possibility of making a wrong choice or a right one, whilst simultaneously robbing us of all excuses. In this context, sympathy for villains has a limit, insofar as that sympathy is insulting to human dignity and personal freedom, reducing us to mere “products of environment”. Emotional needs must be channeled through rational social systems in order that they might be satisfied on more than egocentric terms, and only this will satisfy the conscientious and world-centric mind. Sympathy is in itself such an arbitrary emotion that it would be dogmatic and manipulative to judge people NOT based upon their actual actions but upon the extent to which they permit evil deeds towards innocent life by being “sympathetic” towards its enemies, all the while holding the innocents, by implication, to an unreasonably biased ideological standard. In _Parasite_ , for instance, the morality play fails because the characters all exhibit noble qualities such as kindness, trust, peacefulness, compliance, concern, warmth and empathy _only in direct proportion to their status_ , creating the illusion that morality is a direct function of “class”, even though the classiest benefactors are never given a chance to put their good will to the test before they are slaughtered in their own backyards. Conversely, shows such as _Better Call Saul_ explore effectively the distinctions between class and character by placing individuals from various backgrounds in difficult situations which TEST them, determining retroactively the extent to which a “villain” might have been “heroic”. I’ve come to regard sympathy as the greatest pitfall of the recent era. Its limits are radically subjective and egocentric, and its murky implications retain the language of morality whilst resisting its Meaning. So long as I know that I Choose, I cannot say, “my conditions made me do it.” So long as I am free, I have no excuses, but only the possibility of sin or salvation. Is it too much to ask that a man betray his family in order to protect their benefactors? Not at all, since one’s primary obligations are, of course, to one’s Fellow Human Beings, irrespective of denominational partisanship and attachment. So long as one group of people is acting civilly and the other is behaving illicitly, it ceases to be an abstract question but becomes a question of Courage. “Thus conscience does make cowards of us all, And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought.” Four hundred years ago, the Bard summed up the politics of today, largely derived from post-structural theories that laypeople recite as if they were truisms, reduced to television fodder. Ironically, these same people would sooner advocate for radical, subversive action in place of civil discourse, and even Hamlet's soliloquy is taken out of its context to suggest the permissibility of unconscientious acts, rather than the futility of acting conscientiously and reflecting self-consciously at the same time. **[({T.H.)}]***

    Thomas HartwellThomas HartwellIl y a 5 mois
  • ... but how can you recast an agent of enforcement as a "villain" if the very principles of "Goodness" are only ever formalized in authoritative media and institutions? Wouldn't acts of a disturbing nature only bolster the human longing for Peace and Justice, thereby reinforcing the "System" instead of sending adults into an adolescent, anarchistic frenzy against an "Other" such as "the racists, the homophobes, the sexists", et cetera? [Five years later, I still have to wonder at the inexplicable contradictions inherent in logocentrism, participation mystique, and intentionality, which can so prejudicially and hypocritcally resist what it projects as prejudice and hypocrisy.] How do these waters become "muddied" if they should have to imply that the "Hero" is no longer a representation of Cultural Values but rather some sort of a "sympathetic deviant"? Are people truly, even in the year 2020, by and large ideological emotivists? If so: what sort of authority do they have to vilify ANY one??? **[({T.H.)}]***

    Thomas HartwellThomas HartwellIl y a 5 mois
  • Thanos is actually an eco-fascist though. There’s nothing valid or good about his reasoning.

    ManubibiManubibiIl y a 5 mois
  • i kinda wanna wix

    jeronimojeronimoIl y a 5 mois
  • Well we live in the present hopefully I won't live much longer but anyway for now we live in the present so of course we're going to relate more with the newer villains

    Aaron BradleyAaron BradleyIl y a 5 mois
  • Every Legend of Korra villain wanted to make the world better but their drastically ways made them bad guys

    Blue MoleBlue MoleIl y a 5 mois
  • 1:16 WHY DID YOU PUT THAT IMAGE IN MY BRAIN?! I CAN'T UNSEE THAT NOW, THANKS!!!

    Axxcell The Horny Fuckin' ImpAxxcell The Horny Fuckin' ImpIl y a 5 mois
  • An interesting way to track social progression is to look at the Batman franchise. We go from the 50’s where the ideal hero is a billionaire fighting for justice. This declines some but then returns after 9/11, when American values are once again desirable. In Batman begins, there’s even a scene where Thomas Wayne tells Bruce that as a billionaire they have an obligation to help the less fortunate. The idea of the morally just billionaire carries into the dark knight, but has faded. Now it’s not just mobsters who are corrupt there are some examples of minuscule corporate crime (ie. extortion). Carry this to the dark knight rises and a different image appears. The franchise now recognizes the rich as corrupt, but at the same time shows oppressed citizens as easily corruptible cogs in a terrorist plan. The movie almost doesn’t know what it wants to show. The biggest leap is the creation of the court of owls, a group of underground Gotham elites who control the entire city from the shadows. They appeared in comics and quickly became popular. The court is a secret society whose control of the city spans generations. They wear fancy attire and hide behind masks. They have no redeeming qualities. Finally, we can look to the telltale Batman series. Here, (minor spoiler ahead) Bruce discovers that his wealth was not earned innocently. Instead, his family became rich off of its affiliation with the mob. The idea of the virtuous billionaire is now entirely gone. The franchise has gone from seeing money as being equatable to a super power, to it being associated with corruption and malice.

    wyote albertowyote albertoIl y a 5 mois
  • how you just skip past Watchmen? the argument of "the greater the suffering the greater the peace" is literally the argument Ozymandias makes for his grand scheme

    Kyle Cedric SyKyle Cedric SyIl y a 5 mois
  • 8:56 apparently you haven't caught that Star Wars chronicles the struggles of a terrorist sect, allied with a smuggler, in their struggle to overthrow the legitimate, democratically elected government of the galaxy.

    The Rad FemsThe Rad FemsIl y a 5 mois
  • You kind of lost your credibility when you confused Metropolis with Gotham City. How do you fuck that up?? 😂🤣

    Skywalker SamadhiSkywalker SamadhiIl y a 5 mois
  • Just like the current protestors are portrayed as evil and villains. And the reason why people are out in the street is exactly because of these corrupted and unjust institutions that the modern villains try to take down or change, but funny enough it's the villain but the common people that rise up in real life.

    Radu CoroiRadu CoroiIl y a 5 mois
  • Infinite Tsukuyomi

    Steven ESteven EIl y a 5 mois
  • aren’t sans and papairus siblings?

    hhhhhhIl y a 5 mois
  • Smersh was not inaginary

    Твоя Підпільна ГуманітаркаТвоя Підпільна ГуманітаркаIl y a 5 mois
  • Killmonger isn't a good villain the only reason people say he is is to pander to the retards that only like black panther cuz it has black people in it

    King GrimKing GrimIl y a 5 mois
  • Villians that are convinced they're the good guy and have valid reasons for thinking so are the most interesting kind in my opinion. Makes the classic "bad cuz evil" thing kind of refreshing when you come back to it, like Blood Dragon silliness after finishing Far Cry 3.

    Isaac JonesIsaac JonesIl y a 5 mois
  • I felt sympathy for anikan he didn’t want to become darth Vader but all the commotion in his life would take hours to list and all the suffering would change any person

    Jacob ResendizJacob ResendizIl y a 5 mois
  • Nobody could overtake America's mainland without cooperation of both Mexico and Canada, and the rest of the worlds militaries. Even then, 300 Million armed people PLUS the best Military in the world protecting the US, it could go either way.

    GodsPerfectFailuresGodsPerfectFailuresIl y a 5 mois
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