The Philosophy of J.R.R. Tolkien: Why Things Keep Getting Worse - Wisecrack Edition

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JRR Tolkien's many works aren't just bound together by Middle Earth, but a meticulously crafted philosophy of history. Join us as we explore why JRR Tolkien stands apart from other thinkers in this Wisecrack Edition.
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  • Older=Better?? 🙄 Ever hear of less is more?? Just because a current age isn’t as good as the one before, doesn’t mean it’s pointless. It’s still a bright age nonetheless. It’s about perception and accepting what you have. And to say that Tolkien was no Debby Downer yet tried to convince us that evil is more powerful than good, is pure nihilism. Nothing more.

    Joslyn VazquezJoslyn VazquezIl y a jour
  • Mind boggling

    Lucky M.E.Lucky M.E.Il y a 8 jours
  • Huh! I just found this site, and I gotta admit that I never expected a thoughtful and insightful examination of a literary topic like Tolkien's world on a site called Wisecrack. I'll be back. While I agree with the view here that Tolkien was a pessimist at the societal level, a George Carlin of mythology ("Some say the glass is half full, some half empty. I say the glass is too damn big"), many believe that he was an optimist regarding the individual's opportunity and duty in this morass of rising entropy. The Hobbit, and even more so The Ring trilogy are each a classic "Hero's epic journey". We all know the format from literature like Beowulf, Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, and Huckleberry Finn - a reluctant mortal is forced to take a long, dangerous journey to rectify some injustice which, like Arthur Dent, he sees as an SEP (someone else's problem). Bad guys snarl, chases and explosions occur, shit hits fans, but the hero sucks it up and knuckles down. Eventually, though, hope fails, and the hero gives up. Huck betrays Jim, Frodo keeps the ring, and even Jesus on the cross cries "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” But the hero is resilient, and in the face of despair epiphanies occur - "Whoa, for whom the bell tolls is me. Damn", "No try, just do", "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do." Finally, the realization hits - Grace happens by giving in. Job done, the hero returns home transformed. Having realized his God-nature, he is no longer entirely of this world. I believe that that is the primary theme of LOTR. It is merely developed against the backdrop of rising entropy and failing human culture. Just look around, and you see that individual people are capable of both inconceivable cruelty and stunning altruism; nations, corporations, and religions always work for the triumph of evil. The statistical mechanics governing uncountably immense groups allows no other outcome. The "message" of LOTR and most other epic works is that society fails, but despite that, the individual can achieve Grace.

    Robert BarnesRobert BarnesIl y a 9 jours
  • Just another day in the 7th age of this world.

    DelawannaDelawannaIl y a 12 jours
  • TL;DR: Tolkien was a boomer before boomer was a thing.

    bach phambach phamIl y a 17 jours
  • The Long Defeat. I wonder what activists think of this.....

    John DoilyJohn DoilyIl y a 21 jour
  • I am a fan of Tolkien, yet lament the influence of his Christianity. This conviction of evil essentially ruling the world comes from that. Judaism, and Wicce, hold much less nasty world views.

    Jess ZJess ZIl y a 28 jours
  • jared u r the best

    Gabriel GlynnGabriel GlynnIl y a 29 jours
  • Catholicism.

    José Luis PorfirioJosé Luis PorfirioIl y a mois
  • Man do I agree with Tolkien

    Mark WatruckiMark WatruckiIl y a mois
  • It's been mentioned in other comments here, but I don't think it's fair to label Tolkien as a mere pessimist. He was a Catholic, and believe the Bible, which means he believed in the an omnipotent, benevolent God, a real Satan, a Fall, humanity's sin nature, etc. It's missing the point to try to reduce his beliefs to purely material, naturalistic causes and exclude his religious convictions.

    Sav912WLSav912WLIl y a mois
  • As a historian, I just wanted to say that we naively turn our history into myth. We then celebrate those myths. In the end we yearn for a past that never really existed. This sometimes leads to disaster. I recommend a book call "A Most Dangerous Book" by Krebs. He describes the book "Germania" written by a roman author named Tacitus. Tacitus thought about the Roman past a lot like Tolkien did and yearned for it. Tacitus idealized the German tribes as a noble race despite being barbarians. Nearly two millenia later, "Germania" would form the intellectual basis of germanic racial supremacy that would eventually lead to the world wars and the holocaust. The past is the past. We can learn from it to enhance our future. The future in the end is the only thing we really have. When we yearn for a past that never existed, we invite the eucatastrophe that Tolkien speaks of.

    lazy_herodotuslazy_herodotusIl y a mois
  • For all the people dunking on this video for allegedly forgetting or omitting Tolkien's Catholic beliefs. Like Tolkien himself, who never made his faith an explicit analog of or influence in his work, the video also avoids rubbing your face in that factor. But it's there for those with eyes to see.

    IrishCarneyIrishCarneyIl y a mois
  • Lol yeah a Catholic that practiced Buddhism in his spare time. Middle Earth they never will understand what it means.

    El MEl MIl y a mois
  • So basically that is so true, especially in the case with art and modern art.

    David DraghiciDavid DraghiciIl y a 2 mois
  • I feel like Saruman just gave me his analysis of the world and why we all must join with Sauron . . .

    Mist RémeMist RémeIl y a 2 mois
  • Gotta be wary of propaganda outlets like this

    Tyler PetriTyler PetriIl y a 2 mois
  • All 6 of Peter Jacksons movies were terrible so I hope Amazon knows what they are doing

    brian milliganbrian milliganIl y a 2 mois
  • I agree with him that history is cyclical, but it seems to be the case that each collapse is less severe, and each time it becomes a little better before each collapse.

    Supiragon 1998Supiragon 1998Il y a 2 mois
  • 8:00 Later, in 2019: J.J. Abrahams creates an army of mobile death stars

    Néstor RangelNéstor RangelIl y a 2 mois
  • Roughly two years later, all things considered... Yeah, Tolkien was on the mark in a lot of respects...

    InSanctvsInSanctvsIl y a 2 mois
  • Wow, I didn’t know Tolkien and I viewed the progress of industry and housing so similarly. Not exactly the same just similar.

    Xavier SaavedraXavier SaavedraIl y a 3 mois
  • There are so many intellectually-stimulating comments here 😱 😆 ❤️

    Finnian WolfFinnian WolfIl y a 3 mois
  • Sam was based on my great grandfather's batman.

    Maddy ExploresMaddy ExploresIl y a 3 mois
  • Tolkien tapped into universal truths; his world crosses bounds of race, religion and culture. He can't have been too far wrong, mate!

    Andrew HingeAndrew HingeIl y a 3 mois
  • Against progress? Progress towards what end? I am not sure if you do this because you are genuinely interested or just for youtube but there is quite a bit of textual criticism and research already done on Tolkien. You might consider reading: Following Gandalf, the Philosophy of Tolkien, the road to Middle-Earth, and Tolkien's own "on Fairy Stories". Tolkien is not necessarily opposed to progress, juts progress at all costs. LOTR is more about virtue an morality. Gandalf speaks in the chapter 'the last debate' saying, "we ourselves shall perish utterly in a black battle... but this, I deem, is our duty". Here, as in many places, Tolkien is talking about doing the right thing always, despite the outcome or circumstances, or virtue. Also, look at the arms and armor the elves and men of Gondor versus those of the orcs. One shows skill, craftsmanship, and care. The other displays only utility. This is today's equivalent of a hand crafted table that may last generations vs fadish wamart and ikea throwaway furniture. Finally I leave you with a quote from one of Tolkien's contemporaries and indeed, closest friends, C.S. Lewis, Their labour-saving devices multiply drudgery, their aphrodisiacs make them impotent Their amusements bore them, Their rapid production of food leaves half of them starving, And their devices for saving time have banished leisure from their country Some "progress" comes at a cost.

    vaporizer82vaporizer82Il y a 3 mois
  • The Hobbit films were shit.

    Fit and Healthy at Any AgeFit and Healthy at Any AgeIl y a 3 mois
  • This whole thing makes G.R.R Martin's complaint about Tolkien's "black and white characters" appear sophomoric, and unsophisticated. It's interesting to me that - in many ways - Middle Earth is a more profoundly cynical universe than Westeros; and yet it is, in the end, more hopeful, and bright.

    NoogahOogahNoogahOogahIl y a 3 mois
  • Instead of Gold, Silver, then Bronze, Iron, we could consider our Current Age as an age of glass. It’s a fascinating renaissance.

    UniversaleseUniversaleseIl y a 3 mois
  • I do love LOTR and its wistfulness, but enough of Tolkien's tiresome "reverse chronological snobbery"! The Golden Age is NOW (and always was and ever will be!)

    David PeloquinDavid PeloquinIl y a 3 mois
    • The answer is realism, what Tolkien was talking about is the decline of civilisation. Romans surely would have thought the same as you. We too will fall.

      PrometheusPrometheusIl y a 3 mois
  • You should add "they shall not grow old" in your description for film footage. LoL

    sd cardsd cardIl y a 3 mois
  • Tolkien was the Miyazaki of authors... I think he would have liked the plot of Dark Souls.

    Cpt. ShmittCpt. ShmittIl y a 3 mois
  • I never noticed the cyclic age and progressive decline elements before. its similar also to the Oswald Spengler theory of civilisations. childhood, youth, manhood, old age etc.

    Horus LupercalHorus LupercalIl y a 3 mois
  • How do you make a 20 minute video on Tolkein's philosophy without so much as mentioning his Catholic faith which inspired most of his work? That's such a huge fail that I find it hard to believe that this wasn't an intentional omission.

    MrFreeGmanMrFreeGmanIl y a 4 mois
  • his belief in a superior time I feel is directly due to his catholic beliefs. I mean he famously hated other divisions of Christianity and tried to convert c.s lewis. thus it gave a primal evil. I don't think there was ever a better time. we are getting better but we'll die failing all the same.

    Surya MohanSurya MohanIl y a 4 mois
  • At 5:17. I mean, yeah, Tolkien would DEFINITELY think that our technological progress was making us worse as human beings. He had been born in 1892, at the peak of the Belle Epoque, when things in Europe were peaceful and all these new gadgets were making the world a better place. Then in 1914, when he was 22 years old, he was thrown in the trenches of World War I, which shattered whatever optimism he had with human progress. He was definitely part of the "Lost Generation" when he emerged out of that hellhole at 26 years of age--hard-bitten and almost nihilistic. Then he saw the rise of fascism and the Great Depression, and then the horrors of World War II in his 50s, culminating with the Nazi death camps and the atomic bombs dropped on Japan. His whole adult life Tolkien was seeing civilization destroy itself with more advanced weapons and technology. Clearly this would make him deeply pessimistic about the "progress of history" in general.

    Luboman411Luboman411Il y a 4 mois
  • Nostalgia. It's a hell of a drug.

    Paul KertonPaul KertonIl y a 4 mois
  • Eucatastrophe: Cap lifts Thor's hammer and says "Avengers Assemble" Me: Showtime at the Apollo

    WorldChampionWorldChampionIl y a 4 mois
  • He was Christian. He believed the Bible. He lived it. All his views were in tandem with it. Hence the moral pessimism.

    Timothy WilliamsonTimothy WilliamsonIl y a 4 mois
  • Don't see it mentioned: Yes, LOTR is a Catholic work. The Elves are not based on "golden age" but on humanity in the Garden of Eden before the Fall, who have miraculous abilities. And most importantly, the greatest eucatastrophe in real life to Tolkien was the Resurrection of Christ, whixch was basically the argument Tolkien used to convert C.S.Lewis.

    Chuck ContiChuck ContiIl y a 4 mois
  • Can you do a video on Lê Guin please?

    Tim CollierTim CollierIl y a 4 mois
  • If you look at the Hindu doctrine about time and the 4 ages, it isn’t much different. Golden age, silver age, Iron Age, dark age.

    Matthew MooreMatthew MooreIl y a 4 mois
  • And the so called Sauron in middle Earth is Calimbribor, the real Elf king

    Dylan NtwariDylan NtwariIl y a 4 mois
  • That's because Gandalph is Sauron and nobody in middle Earth realised it!!!

    Dylan NtwariDylan NtwariIl y a 4 mois
  • Civilization is a complex system, which doesn't function only on natural laws, as by definition it is different from "nature", so it needs constant maintenance. After some time of failure to do that maintenance, it can easily break down, bit by bit, that is why things can easily go worse. Second law of thermodynamics. After some time, entropy always wins

    Kate SKate SIl y a 4 mois
  • If you really buy into Tolkien's philosophy (as presented in this video), then what's the point of carrying on? If we take it to it's logical conclusion, we should just stop persisting in our survival and allow ourselves to die out. It's only going to get worse after all. Also, it's argued in the video that part of what makes an age "great" is its mythic quality and grandeur. Really? Is that what greatness is all about? Tyrants have always existed and I believe slavery and cruelty only gets worse the more you go back in time. Finally, this term "chronological snobbery"... Why couldn't this term be applied in reverse - for the people who argue that older is better no matter what?

    Serban CociubaSerban CociubaIl y a 4 mois
    • That's why his faith is such a crucial part of his philosophy, which this video completely ignored. The point of life is salvation; spiritual and moral progress as opposed to simply material progress.

      MrFreeGmanMrFreeGmanIl y a 4 mois
  • This is just a non-theological interpretation of a complex universe created by a complex creator...*wait a second*

    Aman BythewayAman BythewayIl y a 4 mois
  • ...Could not be more fitting during current COVID+Trump era self-implosion hahahhahaha

    L UL UIl y a 4 mois
  • Another excellent video. I'm an atheist myself, but have been an avid Tolkien fan since childhood and his message regarding ethics and human nature still resonates even if I don't frame my ethics through a religious lens. I see lots of others in the comments have rightly commented on Tolkien's religious views. Just wanted to say great video, and also cool comment section to see so many people also interested in this.

    Mike FrankeMike FrankeIl y a 4 mois
  • I don’t understand how you can go through all of this and not mention the man’s catholic faith.

    TBGD005TBGD005Il y a 4 mois
  • How long does it take you to check your phone to see what time it is? Is it in some sort of other dimension?

    Instantly BrokenInstantly BrokenIl y a 4 mois
  • I always thought Frodo should’ve died at the end with the ring but I don’t think people would enjoy that as much

    shitsonitshitsonitIl y a 4 mois
  • As much as I enjoyed this video and its understanding of Tolkien, I believe you did him a great disservice to his philosophy by never once mentioning his faith which ties so deeply to his philosophy. Tolkien was seeing the world fall from the heights of the great greek and roman philosophers and even medieval ones such as St. Thomas Aquinas out of the renaissance and into post modernism which many Catholics (myself included) see as a degradation of society and its morals on the excuse of nothing really matters or ideals pertaining to or residing in nihilism. While yes technology and society (mostly justice in a sense) have moved forward and progressed, mankind in a way has lost touch with morals and we can even see now how much we live in a morally ambiguous time with no real trend to higher morality. Nietzsche declared "God is dead!" and plunged the world into a downward spiral of re-rationalizing and contextualizing the world in our own image and idea and not that of God, whom Nietzsche just believed was something humans created to derive meaning out of their own meaningless existence. His philosophy was extremely influential through the 1900s and even today, and many people use it to justify their ideas and how the world should be (aka the sexual revolution, transgenderism, the gay pride movement, the weird trend to socialism and hate of capitalism, so on and so forth, these are seen by Catholics as key examples to how society has fallen apart and now only sees to indulge themselves) and now we look at the world as trending towards downfall. but there is still God and we can trust in him to shows us the way, much like Estel. god is the way the truth and the light, and he will always be there to help us when we are most in need, and thats were we get stuff like miracles and what not, our own real forms of deus ex machina, divine intervention.(the reality of this comment is I just beat Nier Automata and as much as I really enjoyed the game (I highly recommend it honestly), it is heavily with ideas of nihilism, it even directly quotes Nietzsche, and you determine your existence and death of the author and so on and so forth, which I highly disagree with as I see it is as the rationalization of the Doomer philosophy and the best way to experience and decide on existence for the atheist or agnostic, so Ive just been really annoyed as of late with modern philosophy) sorry for the long text blob, but this video just kinda ironically shows what Tolkien feared, you basically secularized him and left out one of his core views to create a narrative that he just believed there were abstract things like "good" and "evil" so as to not (understandably in this day in age, a testament to the failure of society rn) make anyone unhappy as most people today are atheist and dont like the mention of God or whatnot. I don't mean this too be rude in any way as the actions taken make sense but it is just very disappointing as a long fan of Tolkien and his work and this just did not do enough Justice to him and his work. Other then that this is very comprehensive and good!

    Greg BeigelGreg BeigelIl y a 4 mois
  • he's a catholic, in the bible everithing tends to born perfect and degrade. That's probably why so many conservatives are christian or viceversa

    Manu halmManu halmIl y a 4 mois
  • The costs to nature, and to the working class, of our technological revolution have caught up with us.

    Noemi StarlightNoemi StarlightIl y a 4 mois
  • Having witnessed the worst of the industrial revolution for himself I can see why he arrived at this conclusion. But him and Lewis calling out others for Chronological snobbery is rich considering that they took the exact same approach themselves; only looking back instead of forward. Even better he isn't even original in this as the Greeks did the same thing. But at least they had the good grace to have that in their mythos where Tolkien treats it as straight history. *sigh* He was a crank, but he was a crank who set up a new mythos out of old mythos. I prefer to take in his works on a shallow level rather than think too hard about it. More enjoyable that way. Only seeing beauty and virtue in the past is a terrible perspective to have. Way too many of his characters were terribly fatalistic with this same outlook. Theodin stood out that way for me.

    jklindersjklindersIl y a 4 mois
  • Tolkien's fear manifested as the Warhammer universe

    Setiawan SetiawanSetiawan SetiawanIl y a 4 mois
  • equating hitler and stalin, each liberal is bound to this fate - this one doom.

    TychoxiTychoxiIl y a 4 mois
    • I predict that the struggles of the current era will bring a new communist age, in which it is not seen as evil (sure largely to US gov-funded propaganda efforts), but as a necessary step to preserve the world during COVID-19 and climate change.

      Noemi StarlightNoemi StarlightIl y a 4 mois
  • I've always known this idea, but I could never put it into words.

    ZrobZrobIl y a 4 mois
  • JRR was always right

    Tafhimul HossainTafhimul HossainIl y a 5 mois
  • 3:01 I love that kind of thing. The guy's sitting there playing an empty bottle with his eyes locked, deadpan, on the camera. It humanizes someone that lived over a century ago and, just for a moment, transforms that small snippet of what would otherwise be a stark, grey clip into a 3-dimensional moment I can easily imagine myself experiencing. It's not that I don't know things like that happened generations ago, even amidst a world war, but it creates an emotional link. He's more than just a historical figure living his tough, austere life. In fact, I know people like him--at least in terms of his sense of humour.

    Leo AlexanderLeo AlexanderIl y a 5 mois
  • I’m sorry Jared I love you but it’s DR Martin Luther King

    Karen Ting Lloyds Planning LLCKaren Ting Lloyds Planning LLCIl y a 5 mois
  • *nice tablets.*

    Thomas HartwellThomas HartwellIl y a 5 mois
  • 8:03 "Or JJ Abrams creating a third and good God I hope not a fourth..." Well that sure didn't age well, did it?

    vsGoliathvsGoliathIl y a 5 mois
  • Tolkien was a Catholic. C.S. Lewis was an Evangelical, You cannot divorce that from their Literature.

    JOSEPHJOSEPHIl y a 5 mois
  • ‘Now goblins are cruel, wicked, and bad-hearted. They make no beautiful things, but they make many clever ones.’

    fran applesfran applesIl y a 6 mois
  • How many Tolkiens did we lose at the battle of the somme?

    Brian WilsonBrian WilsonIl y a 6 mois
  • Off topic, but does anyone know the name of the song playing in the background around 4:40?

    BergmannetjeBergmannetjeIl y a 6 mois
  • After watching this I was trying to understand Tolkien’s pessimism... and then I read the comment section... you guys are the proof of Tolkien’s views on the spiraling decay of humanity. The first set of comments are beautiful well thought out discussions. A few comments down and people are starting to bicker about little details in the video, books, Christianity, etc... further down people are in full incoherent arguments, followed by name calling.. etc...

    David ZukleyDavid ZukleyIl y a 6 mois
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    N TN TIl y a 6 mois
  • I do wonder about aragorn's first name estel which means hope as you said, but estelle also is a (girl) first name in french and come (unless I'm sorely mistaken) from estrella which means star in spanish. Which tolkien as a master linguist would probably have known. And if I remember my books correctly (it was a long time ago) I seem to remember that tolkien often used the stars sun and moon as bringing hope, as you showed with the passage with sam when they are wandering in/near mordor and suddenly he sees a bright star...

    Johanna SegardJohanna SegardIl y a 6 mois
  • "As such, Tolkein envisioned the end of history as being likewise eucatastrophic, that though history would be nothing more than the long defeat, it would ultimately have a happy ending..." Welcome to the bible folks

    Varsity ChapVarsity ChapIl y a 6 mois
  • Not history, but mythology. And as Tolkien and C.S. Lewis said, we can understand a lot of ourselves from our mythology.

    gallopingLake6gallopingLake6Il y a 6 mois
  • I I really wonder if Tolkien was familiar with the works by Oswald Spengler on cyclical history ('The Decline of the West', etc.)

    terrab1ter4terrab1ter4Il y a 6 mois
  • Why do people hate on the Hobbit. Sure they have their flaws, but they are very fun to watch

    Wb2006xxWb2006xxIl y a 6 mois
  • I was attracted to The Hobbit in 1971 because of the author's intriguing triple initials.

    Richard CollierRichard CollierIl y a 6 mois
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    227Morgan227MorganIl y a 6 mois
  • The Catholicism and Norse influences are Tolkien 101. I like this video because we didn't have to listen to the obvious influences again

    Liquid SwordsLiquid SwordsIl y a 6 mois
  • I mean the cyclical nature of Civilizations rising, expanding, plateauing, falling and collapsing is pretty evident to any historian. Common themes, social trends and attitudes, and philosophical changes in every major empire act as indicating markers of different phases of this life cycle. Civilizations that were excessively comfortable, irreligious, militarily aggressive but spread thin, sexually libertine and permissive of sodomy and the sexualization of children for example almost always disintegrated within a generation or two

    Richard GraysonRichard GraysonIl y a 7 mois
  • Tolkien wasn’t a pessimist, he was a Romantic Artist, most of his themes and philosophies are based on the Romantic art movement from the 19th Century

    Carlos OcandoCarlos OcandoIl y a 7 mois
  • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer

    Slaven KovacevicSlaven KovacevicIl y a 7 mois
  • No wonder I didn't particularly enjoy his content! The way I think is exactly the opposite of that - constantly advancing from the shitty past towards a better future. With some fluctuations, obviously, such as covid19. People like Tolkien are severely romanticising the past. As a white skinned male, had Tolkien been alive, I'd want to remind him: we're some of the only people to which the past wasn't completely cruel. Furthermore, it's quite probable that due to sheer luck, we would've died of some "unknown cause" - or in translation to the present - preventable disease.

    Liran PiadeLiran PiadeIl y a 7 mois
  • And Tolkien was right.

    Jimmy NeutronJimmy NeutronIl y a 7 mois
  • Wisecrack: "Wisecrack dives into the *deeper meaning* and *philosophy* behind your favorite video games, movies, TV shows, albums and more!" Also Wisecrack: remove the religious motivation of J.R.R Tolkien and his world view just because they dont believe in god and have a petty dislike of religion.

    SlumberTrapSlumberTrapIl y a 7 mois
  • Esthel is, in Tolkien’s faith, the promise of hope and redemption given by Jesus. Your analysis has a lot of faulty logic due to your unwillingness to account Christianity as a primary drive in Tolkien’s work, and the fundamental nature of the world being bad because of the original sin, rather than any other secular excuse.

    Chicken SoupChicken SoupIl y a 7 mois
  • He is the toll king

    trapez77trapez77Il y a 7 mois
  • Setting aside the issue that @Kstephenson raises (which can be easily countered by assuming Wisecrack only refers to moral decay as a function of time), there is an uncanny resemblance in Hindu mythology and the concept of 'yugas': each more corrupt than the previous.

    AmanAmanIl y a 7 mois
  • He’s not wrong.

    Aussie GodAussie GodIl y a 7 mois
  • Catholicism: elista Wisecrack: l ve never met this man before in my life.

    Gokberk TanınGokberk TanınIl y a 7 mois
  • Cosmic pessimism runs directly counter to the Christian worldview, change my mind.

    Comment ConnoisseurComment ConnoisseurIl y a 7 mois
  • But is history a long defeat .... I don't think so .... Even the evils of the past has given us humans lessons for the future .... Ie in order to prevent regional powers from emerging a world order must be forged ... UN .. and Maybe a future war would teach us that more cooperation is needed and the UN be provided with its own forces that it can act as its own independent power ....

    parthasarathy Venkatadriparthasarathy VenkatadriIl y a 7 mois
  • This topic is extremely complicated. I will say though that I "agree" with Tolkien, but that my worldview comes from the Bible and is influenced by Hindu thought, Daoist notions, and science. It's true that life seems to decay, as an intricate being such as a man is made up of many parts, and those many parts increase the probability of decay hence there are more possibilities to decay. The Bible and the Hindu Yuga system actually parallel each other in that man is born more moral but more primitive (Eden and first Yuga age) but progressively invert as time nears the end. By the end of the Yuga system man is more intelligent and accomplished but his morals have decayed. The Bible somewhat says the same as the bearing of the coming of Christ coincides with a time of great tribulation and mankind at the peak of its sin. So I agree with Tolkien that things get "worse" morally as time progresses, but it's also hard to deny the effects of human progress and industry/reason/science has had positively. While the World wars were awful the rise of the nuclear bomb gave mankind a destruction cap, and ironically a deterrent to full scale war. While current liberality makes me want to roll my eyes, I can't forget how the civil rights movement helped me as a black man be considered an actual human being by society. So while the "woke" culture frustrates me sometimes I never forget the importance of having a contingent of people who care about social justice is to a society. There's alot more I have to say but to wrap this up I'll say Tolkien is "right" but most likely the eventual decay of the world won't be a bleak picture in which we slowly fade into Oblivion but instead the world will look great on the outside and society will fool itself because of that, not knowing that the sins of the past haven't left but merely changed forms and has never left. Fun fact about the apocalypse, upon studying Apocalyptic eschatology recently I was shocked to see how long the age of tribulation will occur. The entire process of the apocalypse could textually be backed up to occur over the process of over 1000 years. So maybe in that last 1000 or whatever years the world will look barren, but even as a fellow pessimist I gotta admit that society has made leaps forward. There are some scientific truths and social ideas that can't be forgotten and revert back to (unless something tremendous happens). Racism exists most definitely but it's hard to imagine slavery as it was will ever go back into effect, nor will humanity ever lose sight of microbiology, evolution, and the knowledge of physics as of today. So Tolkien does gotta give humanity a little credit. We all know at some point this whole thing is going to fall apart at some point, but we have progressed very far in an unprecedented speed from an evolutionary standpoint .

    Raymond JonesRaymond JonesIl y a 7 mois
  • Deportable Cultist.

    Michelle BurkholderMichelle BurkholderIl y a 7 mois
  • Dumb. You didn't even mention his Catholicism

    Logan WolfLogan WolfIl y a 7 mois
  • The problem here is that you are looking at conflict or non conflict as objects. You are not looking at it as means to an end of empowerment or disempowerment.

    Frederick MaloufFrederick MaloufIl y a 7 mois
  • it only appears worse because by the time it's gotten better the story's over.

    person personperson personIl y a 7 mois
  • This video is a Masterpiece!! you are Spot On!! Fantastic job! Also Catholics are pressed. Tolkien's World goes far beyond his religious beliefs and he hated analogies despite the fact that he said that his work has a christian foundation

    P.A.DP.A.DIl y a 8 mois
  • Where can I find the flute background music used in this vid?

    Emperor NimballaEmperor NimballaIl y a 8 mois
  • How does somebody fight in the trenches of WWI, then live into the 70's, and walk away thinking things are worse?! Sounds like he was hitting the weed too hard to me.

    Joe CampbellJoe CampbellIl y a 9 mois
  • Tolkien might have believed that evil was real, but this is only one half of the point - the other being that it wasn’t fundamental. For him, evil only comes about as a result of a “fall” from a natural state of essential goodness (all things being fragments of an essentially Good God). Whether evil is “the most powerful force in the world” is also dubious, as Tolkien also stresses how easily the machinations of evil - being mere corruptions of that essential Goodness - can come tumbling down in the eucatastrophic.

    RhaexorogRhaexorogIl y a 9 mois
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