The Meaning of Death: BoJack Horseman vs. The Good Place

21 avril 2020
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BoJack Horseman and The Good Place both use their final season to make sense of death, and there's a LOT there.
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BoJack Horseman and The Good Place, two of the best comedies in recent years, have now come to an end. The weird thing is, their two endings have a lot in common, in that both grappled extensively with what it means to die. Let's find out more in this Wisecrack Edition: The Meaning of Death: Bojack Horseman vs. The Good Place
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  • Want to learn more about what your favorite movies and TV shows are REALLY saying? Check out The Take! wscrk.com/2VOUwee

    WisecrackWisecrackIl y a 6 mois
    • Where does Angel Beats fit here?

      J AllenJ AllenIl y a 5 mois
    • So ummmmm... when are you gonna do Midnight Gospel?

      Edgardo EsparzaEdgardo EsparzaIl y a 5 mois
    • It would be awesome if you’re next episode in this series is Devs.

      Danny CampbellDanny CampbellIl y a 5 mois
    • Personally i think life does need a meaning. Just live it.

      Anthony BladeAnthony BladeIl y a 6 mois
    • @Manophere. com the good place's nonexistent door is very much this When Eleanor goes through we see her go into millions of pieces returning to the universe each becoming part of other peoples' consunesses

      Charlie SalzmanCharlie SalzmanIl y a 6 mois
  • The Take and Wisecrack are two my favourite minds on the internet. I love that they keep referencing each other's work.

    Utkarsha DUtkarsha DIl y a 2 jours
  • Seeing death as an abyss is misleading. It implies there is a you to be in the endless abyss. There is not

    Darwin BoderoDarwin BoderoIl y a 3 jours
  • Camus (self-discribed) wasn't an existentialist because he thought that humans were united in our experience of the Absurd.

    Jory JonesJory JonesIl y a 4 jours
  • “Who dares to love forever~ forever is our today.” Freddie Mercury

    SammieSammieIl y a 5 jours
  • Well of course we think of immortality as boring & terrible since we live in such a finite world so cloaked & consumed by death. We can't imagine it. But maybe that's what Death is for. It's like traveling to another country. Once you arrive, and you talk to the people there, and look around, you understand it more deeply & clearly than how you could ever possibly imagine. And once we travel to that eternal country, we will accept eternity like we accept life now. In various ways, but ultimately as simple reality. Only without all the pain and loss and confusion we experience now. No one will ever leave, or be missing, or lost. It will be like life now, but better & more complete than we can possibly imagine. After all, if perfection comes after Death (Heaven) none of us can actually know perfection, because nothing here is perfect. Yet we all imagine it exists - think of every instruction manual ever. You can never drive perfectly, the manual gives the idea it is possible. And maybe once we experience perfection, and really know it, we will be content. And that (perfection) goes hand and hand with eternity. I don't think you can have true perfection without it. There must also be Hell (and maybe for some, only a temporary Hell) because there must be a price paid, justice done, for the wrongs committed. We all feel this sense of justice at some point, yes? Some wrong, some insult, must be corrected & the insulter punished. Because what you do matters - else why does any of us care? We all care, all the time.

    AlwaysAPirateRonin AceAlwaysAPirateRonin AceIl y a 6 jours
  • Ironic. It was The Take, or Screenprism back in the day, that send me to you.

    Tim GretenTim GretenIl y a 6 jours
  • I’m not too sure if something being more simple makes it less effective.. I think both shows had good and different takes.

    padowopadowoIl y a 8 jours
  • This is one of the least viewed wisecrack vids I’ve seen

    Hunter BrickeyHunter BrickeyIl y a 9 jours
  • I think the idea of eternity itself is born out of the fear of death as the idea of creation is s born out of the search for the meaning of life. I think creation gives live meaning and purpose the fact everything potentially was made for a reason makes the world look primed to exist for the beings that live in it intuitive and interactive nature being the glue that holds our virtues and values together death gives life finality and closure but the true meaning is in what u do while alive death makes consequences more concrete and choices more rigid and hard determinist but the meaning is in the act the free will to choose what u do and the spirit and intention of what you do this determines who u are and gives your life meaning

    Aaron SteeleAaron SteeleIl y a 9 jours
  • You've got nice pipes. but nobody needs to see you narate

    Andrew KlingAndrew KlingIl y a 10 jours
  • My favorite insight in this video paraphrased: The Good Place attempts to be a show about philosophy that, because of its sitcom roots, is bound to the simple answers of sitcom endings. BoJack is the opposite: because its roots are in theatre, it ends up being a show about philosophy. Such a genius insight. Nicely done, Wisecrack!

    HotelMarioMakerHotelMarioMakerIl y a 12 jours
  • The Good Place's ending was far from just simple and a cop-out! I hate how Wisecrack makes it seem like the Good Place's answer is somehow lesser than Bojack Horseman's answer. Why? Because one's happier than the other? One believes in an afterlife and one does not? The way I see it the two show ask us to examine two very different what ifs when it comes not just to meaning, but to death: With Bojack: What if after you die, that's it? With the Good Place: What if after you die, you keep going? What would a fair afterlife have to be? It's not fair to say one show gives a cop-out answer because the whole point of the Good Place is to create a perfect, or at least fair, afterlife. The "sitcom" ending is a given. Sure they could have gone with, "It's all meaningless, boo hoo we're sad", but the creators did come up with an alternate hypothetical that at least to me makes sense. So what if it's happy? Why can't there be a happy ending, literally? Bojack is actually tackling another issue entirely. It asks "How do you live life if it has no real meaning and will end when you die? How should we LIVE on EARTH?" The Good Place sometimes tackles this question on how to live but Bojack never tackles the question of what an afterlife would be like. It's not fair to compare the show's answers about death and call one better than the other when both shows operate under different foundational conditions. Which seem more accurate to you all depends on whether or not you believe in an afterlife. And also, I'm not sure if the Good Place ever claims that life has "real" meaning, anyway. I think it goes the Bojack Horseman route, too, claiming that meaning is what we create (or in other words, it's the friends we made along the way.)

    C GarciaC GarciaIl y a 15 jours
  • Dude, I can hardly handle conversations like this.

    Logan ShillingtonLogan ShillingtonIl y a 15 jours
  • I don’t recommend this one I don’t want to take advice from french atheists. If that’s your deal that’s your choice .it just burns my biscuits so I’m gonna see my way out.

    Amanda HannoonAmanda HannoonIl y a 16 jours
  • For me, that pleasant looking door for ending existence was terrifying in its own way. In the same way that Bojack showed it as an abyss, the Good Place showed it as a nice pleasant door. But as you said, that is sentient beings imposing a view on the concept of annihilation. The complete cessation of being. Jan even said they have no idea what happens when you go through. She just describes it as peaceful but even she doesn't know. The pleasant, happy doorway that represents death can be just as terrifying as the black door of tar in Bojack Horseman. Eleonor herself was terrified by it when Chidi wanted to go through it. It's all about how YOU look at it. Not what others say it is. We all go in our own way and the way we approach death is the same

    Thomas O'DonnellThomas O'DonnellIl y a 17 jours
  • I always wonder if people get so smart they kill themselves...it gets scary at night

    JoeyJoJo ShabadoJoeyJoJo ShabadoIl y a 26 jours
  • I don't understand why you would use that particular clip at the beginning to illustrate how Bojack being a prick. I think Bojack was right in that particular instance.

    Isolation partyIsolation partyIl y a mois
    • Okay so i checked the comments and there's already a thread about this topic.

      Isolation partyIsolation partyIl y a mois
  • While The Good Place does have a relatively clean and feel good ending, I think there's more to it than that. It definitely lends itself to the sitcom happy ending, concluding character arcs in a satisfying way. I personally believe that that doesn't make the show more any more shallow. It still explores what it means to be a good person and leaves us to ponder the answer. The closest thing we get to answer to what makes one good is the vague idea that we should try our best to be good. Bojack Horseman is relatively deeper in exploring its philosophies and is not limited by the sitcom format. BH constantly finds itself changing formats now and then like the Free Churro episode in contrast with the episode where Bojack is underwater. One contributor why BH has multiple chances to break through this format is due to what you said in the video. BH is a Netflix show. It doesn't have the TV limitations that the good place has and feels less "sitcom-like" than TGP. I believe that TGP still has a pretty good exploration of morality through wack sitcom situation. Though it may be limited by being a TV show and a sitcom, it finds a host of ways to use the genre to its advantage to have the characters find closure. It may not be as deep as BH, but I'd say it's not as shallow as the video implies it to be. BH, on the other hand, I think had a bit more creative freedom. It is not only a comedy and sitcom deconstruction, but it is also a satire. This allows for the show to be more philosophical and meta than TGP coupled with the freedom of the animation medium to use a variety of techniques that are difficult in live television. Not to mention that the show was meant to deconstruct a sitcom.

    Jem OcayaJem OcayaIl y a mois
  • what's the song at 16:35?

    Doomsday 2028Doomsday 2028Il y a mois
  • I really dont agree with the last part of the video. Bojack and TGP are shows with different intentions, but judging one as better and more honest just because it was more depressing is really arbitrary and subjective. You should judge art by what it is, not by what you want it to be. If you dont think a show like TGP is for you because it doesn't challenge your personal views, that's fine, but dont act like that makes it inherently worse. Is that sense of entitlement that really makes me dislike Bojack's fans (and Rick and Morty fans aswell). This idea "Oh, this show is so honest, and so existential, and it's better than all your other TV Shows that make you happy". The possibilities of someone watching Bojack and having an existential crisis or epiphany are exactly the same as with TGP. It's all a matter of which shows speak to you. Personally, Bojack didn't challenge me. All those ideas were mostly thing I've felt before and I wasn't at that point in my life anymore. The whole time I was thinking "Man, if I was still depressed, this would hit me very deeply". But I wasn't, so it didn't. On the other hand, The Good Place got me thinking about my life in ways that it couldn't imagine and got me way more depressed than Bojack ever did. But the key word here is "personally". I'm not gonna say Bojack is a bad show just because it wasn't for me. I recognize that it's a very good show that transmits the ideas it wants to transmit in incredible fashion. So if any person got personally affected for it, I'm happy for them.

    Gerardo RodriguezGerardo RodriguezIl y a mois
  • This episode should be called "Our Opinion on the meaning of death" cause holy shit that was biased af

    wesley32186wesley32186Il y a mois
  • I am glad to see that a lot of commenters think that this video is too harsh on The Good Place. Its ending is all but closed and fulfilling: we do not know what really happens beyond the door (I personally believe they merge with universal moral conscience), Tahani has to keep learning and improving, and Michael has to face human uncertainty. Sure it's more positive than BoJack, but not in a silly Hollywood happily-ever-after way. On the contrary, while I love BoJack, I found the definitiveness of its nihilism and cynicism a bit too overbearing at the end - although I did like the other characters moving on, away from BoJack's negative spiral. I find this nihilism and cynicism all too common and, philosophically, way easier than trying to find genuine connection and purpose.

    Andrea BAndrea BIl y a mois
    • ​@John Kobe Balod Well, it seems to me that BoJack, after almost dying and seeing that life is just a big farce ending in nothingness, loses all of his friends or at least his closest friend and his life is just back where it was when the show started. I'm not saying it's bad. I love this series, It's just less uplifting than the Good Place. And I think that to make something properly uplifting, but not banal, is even more difficult.

      Andrea BAndrea BIl y a mois
    • What exactly made you think that the finale of Bojack is cynical and nihilistic?

      John Kobe BalodJohn Kobe BalodIl y a mois
  • some things in the finale seems random, as much as i like the writing of bojack horseman, I''m not into the judah/princess carolyn romantic subplot. Was that set up? What about Ralph??

    IloveHamletIloveHamletIl y a mois
  • 5:31 I don't agree with that. Our moral concerns would be amplified if we where immortal. Because why help someone if they are going to be suffering for a short period of time vs a longer period of time?

    Francois Alwyn VenterFrancois Alwyn VenterIl y a mois
  • Alt Schwift X did it on the 25th Feb 2020

    almsahrahalmsahrahIl y a 2 mois
  • Infinity can hinder our morality? Flowey knows a thing or two then.

    Mr. BoomboxMr. BoomboxIl y a 2 mois
  • If you notice, in The Good Place, it never really shows them completely walking through the door. Even when we see Eleanor walking through, it pans away, as if to say, "Who knows what happens?" God I love this channel.

    RelesyRelesyIl y a 2 mois
  • Why are philosophies that see existence as meaningless and destined to end in suffering and then nothingness considered more profound than, for example, Dante or CS Lewis?

    Marc HessMarc HessIl y a 2 mois
  • While this is 'vs' .. I think Bojack's Take about death is better. And actually it is a long dream about what happen to you in your whole life.

    Bab CBab CIl y a 2 mois
  • Were we watching the same Good Place because it’s totally existential crisis material.

    Angela DAngela DIl y a 2 mois
  • I’m sorry, call me the lamest nerd, but I’m using this philosophy to characterize my D&D character

    littlebluecloverslittlebluecloversIl y a 2 mois
  • I’m 14,why am I watching this?

    Barni LovrekBarni LovrekIl y a 2 mois
  • The good place ending was peaceful? I had a panic attack in the finale. Bojack, eh. Barely registered. Let me elaborate a bit: In the good place people are begging for 'death'. Running after 'death'. They literally celebrate once they find out that their lives can permanently end. The philosophy part of this post: There is an argument that people need God and the spectre of divine punishment to be good. The atheist says to this' your morailty is so weak and conditional. Mine is a truly unconditional'. Following on that imagine needing death to give life meaning. Imagine needing an end to give purpose to the process. For some reason I started to disengage from Bojack for a few seasons. Don't know if it was a drop in quality or my own mental state. I had no emotional investment at the end. I should have cared when he read the message from Hollyhock but it barely registered..... And maybe that is all there is to it to my difference in reaction.

    Akiyama SenjuAkiyama SenjuIl y a 3 mois
  • This gave me an anxiety attack.

    OneLifePillowOneLifePillowIl y a 3 mois
  • i thought the writers revealed that bojack was dead in the last episode and it was just a coping mechanism in his brain to make amends with his close ones so he could be at peace

    Aaron BecerraAaron BecerraIl y a 3 mois
    • That was the penultimate episode, "The view from halfway down "

      GJ Valley ValleyGJ Valley ValleyIl y a 3 mois
  • I'm still afraid of death.

    Darp KomiksDarp KomiksIl y a 3 mois
  • Those F.R.I.E.N.D.S failed, actually. They all became babies. It's the secret ending. Only I know because..... You're job's a Totoro, your love life's D.O.A.

    Sam BaroglioSam BaroglioIl y a 3 mois
  • Symbologist not being a real job???? Wasn't this story written by a philosopher or something? Everybody who at least studied undergrad level philosophy knows of symbolic logic! 🤦🤦 It is a real job, just not a main job!

    Dorothy LensaDorothy LensaIl y a 4 mois
  • Oh, God. I thought all the seasons of The Good Place were on Netflix, so I watched the three seasons. There's a fourth season. I thought S3: E12 was the end. I shouldn't have been here....Michael, erase my memory of what I saw here

    Jasmine GrovesJasmine GrovesIl y a 4 mois
  • I love when people preach to me. but I also hate when people preach to me.

    CommanderSandersCommanderSandersIl y a 4 mois
  • If I had a choice I would never die, there's so much to explore. i feel mortality and death giving life meaning is outdated. If we could live forever I think it would be epic

    M0π 17 RaiM0π 17 RaiIl y a 4 mois
    • Or at least be in control of your time to go

      GENERIC FILMMAKERGENERIC FILMMAKERIl y a 4 mois
  • I prefer BoJack's take, while I would wish for an eternal afterlife, it's a childish dream that humans should have evolved beyond by now. Morality and society become very difficult questions to handle in the face of the equality of death. In reality, the vastness and infinite time of the universe, the life of a baby that dies at a few days old isn't even that much shorter than that of a man who lives to see 100 years of age, neither will have truly had an impact on the universe a billion years from now, and even that is just ascribing value to consequence, which may or may not be finite.

    黑龍 - Hắc Long黑龍 - Hắc LongIl y a 4 mois
  • Fuck Sartre His philosophical arguments helped tyrannical regimes justify overt cruelty

    Just a Random GuyJust a Random GuyIl y a 4 mois
  • Living forever is only a bad thing if there is a finite amount of universe, nature, species and art to learn about... oh, wait. At least one of those is infinite, possibly all. And then you can teach it to other people once you Know Everything! I'd rather live forever, cool thanks :D

    Koatei HarvenKoatei HarvenIl y a 4 mois
    • Yeah thats what you do in life. You change with your experiences all the way up to the end whether it be abrupt or not. Be happy and don't struggle when it comes.

      GENERIC FILMMAKERGENERIC FILMMAKERIl y a 4 mois
    • "Everything needs an end". Sure, but "end" doesn't have to be death. It can be... change. You spent all your life as a fisherman? Become a baker. Mastered bakery? Find a new job to try! Become an artist! Infinite possibilities! All this death propaganda... smh!

      Koatei HarvenKoatei HarvenIl y a 4 mois
  • Just subscribed to The Take before watching this video! Lol

    Varian MidoriyaVarian MidoriyaIl y a 4 mois
  • Had an Existential attack when watching this video

    Christian DauzChristian DauzIl y a 5 mois
  • An dull infinity is still dull. A interesting infinity is amazing. Think back to the time before you knew you were bound to die, You were still happy.

    JackJackIl y a 5 mois
  • great video, although i think the good place wasnt all happy simple answers and bojack horseman wasnt all complicated dark gritty endings. both offer a nuanced take on death and i feel like you downplayed tgp a bit. the good place tries to calm us down on how scary death can seem, and bojack horseman shows the scary part on bojacks dream. this video frames it as if they are complete opposites, but if youre trying to draw a comparation between the two i think the best comparation would be that they complement each other and are two sides of the same coin. the good place does end on a very optimistic note, but i wouldnt call it sitcom logic at all.

    GarabatoGarabatoIl y a 5 mois
  • I hate the whole "death gives life meaning" argument, it always comes off as someone trying to soften the blow of mortality.

    PaleHorsePaleHorseIl y a 5 mois
    • Do you feel like you want the full brunt of contimplating your own mortality

      GENERIC FILMMAKERGENERIC FILMMAKERIl y a 4 mois
  • I wish you would've touched on this more in the Dark Souls video.

    Thomas WengerThomas WengerIl y a 5 mois
  • Infinite happiness sounds good to me. I'll stay. Forever.

    Julian WJulian WIl y a 5 mois
  • I wouldn't agree that The Good Place lacks genuineness. To me it doesn't really give us clear answers to the meaning of life and death and certainly doesn't end on a purely positive note. The ending tells us that everything, no matter how great it would seem still has it's flaws and that maybe we'll never truly experience closure and happiness, just in a different way than BoJack does. After all, when you go through the door you probably simply stop existing. Everything ends one way or the other, even if you feel you're "complete", you still end, you can't just eternally "be", can't cling to life (or afterlife) because in the end there is nothing more to cling to really.

    wordekablewordekableIl y a 5 mois
  • The Good Place = "The ultimate secret of life, is the sure knowledge of death; For without it, Man would not strive to leave his mark upon the Earth." Somewhere, Tomorrow Bojack Horseman = "If nothing we do here matters, then all that matters is what we do" Angel There is no one truth and the ideas in the Good Place are just as valid a way of looking at life as the ideas of Bojack Horseman, even if, or maybe especially if there is no set purpose but what we create. Even me, a misanthropic, pessimistic nihilist can see that clearly.

    CearesCearesIl y a 5 mois
  • Logical Fallacy! Just because you can live (in heaven) forever doesn’t mean that you will run out of things to do ! There’s always more variations per unit time.. There are different Size Infinities!!! The infinity of things to do is bigger than the infinity of time.

    Oskar NgoOskar NgoIl y a 5 mois
  • While I was watching the good place I had optimistic ideas about life. Then, after a while, I began to watch bojack horseman. Now I finished and everything feels like meaningless :/

    Elif ErbaşElif ErbaşIl y a 5 mois
  • Two good series that I watch recently and both make you think about death and existence

    Elif ErbaşElif ErbaşIl y a 5 mois
  • Unsubbing again

    SuperJYLSSuperJYLSIl y a 5 mois
  • Man, I was not emotionally prepared for the last episode of The Good Place when I watched it. When you think about the pretty simple premise with which the show originally started, and all the twists and turns it went through, to end up in that spot.... Truly amazing.

    ChristopherChristopherIl y a 5 mois
  • How could virtue be threatened, if you could literally not threaten others? If everyone is immortal, doing bad to others is impossible, "virtue" becomes moot. As for happiness, free of worry for the future, you'd do things only when you want to, never feeling any pressure to do things you don't want to do. Filling up your infinite time only with things you truely want to do sounds like happiness to me. I disagree that immortality would be hell, and I think claiming it would be is just another form of death anxiety relieval, trying to frame it as something positive

    Mads AndreasenMads AndreasenIl y a 5 mois
  • Show me the meaning: Sons of Anarchy, Mayans M.C.??

    t3amtomahawkt3amtomahawkIl y a 5 mois
  • Man I have to admit that when I watched the good places's finale I cried. Their arc completed and accepting the non existence, even as couples was really touching. Damn I'm crying again

    Henrique BaldinHenrique BaldinIl y a 5 mois
  • Please do The Midnight Gospel !! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

    Daniela PereiraDaniela PereiraIl y a 5 mois
  • Death doesn't give life meaning

    Cac12Cac12Il y a 5 mois
  • Do a philosophy of Sherlock The BBC show Please!!

    Bat ManBat ManIl y a 5 mois
  • Loved the shows, loved the channels, loved the videos, but it doesn't really feel like a crossover episode, more like you're making us feel like Mr. Peanutbutter while you're acting like total Bojacks!!! Come one, I'm not saying Susannah and Jared have to be in the same room, but I want more interactiviy from my two favorite You Tube Channels (Throw Lindsay Ellis for a threesome and you'll get me in constant climatic intellectual heaven). Television is most definitely the purgatory of our modern lives, and only good series go to heaven after a good ending. Thanx, guys, keep safe!!!

    PD ZombiePD ZombieIl y a 5 mois
  • Who else found out Canada didn’t have the last season through this video? 👋

    Gina WongGina WongIl y a 5 mois
  • Also reminds me of the haven in future man

    Mason MMason MIl y a 5 mois
  • I always saw the meaning of life/death as a choice. It has no answer because you're supposed to make your own. Meaning being constructed by man doesn't make it real but doesn't make it not real. Just cause man created lamps that doesn't make them real not real. But you can say that they aren't real, lamp is just a word we accociate with a combination of parts that creates light and that the definition can be and will be changed to fit with current times. Like a movie ending you choose how you feel, I actually saw this as god making life this way because it's the only way to have humanity live worthy lives. What's 'worthy' is different to everyone so why not make it everything and nothing at the same time. (Born in christian home I naturally see this but don't see it as a definitive rule book, that can't exist. I can disagree with the bible because of this. Which is how Im a gay christian) I don't even see god as a person controlling the universe but the connections between everything and how the universe works so well and so poorly at the same time. You can see that as something I made myself so there for god doesn't exist, but that doesn't make him not real. Even if he's only real to me and not for you.

    uwu Jarvisuwu JarvisIl y a 5 mois
    • That is a beautiful way of seeing things. Live a good life my friend

      GENERIC FILMMAKERGENERIC FILMMAKERIl y a 4 mois
  • Not enough Kristen Bell in this video

    schnubbel76schnubbel76Il y a 5 mois
  • Hi Wisecrack, thx for the Vid ^^ Interesting as always. I would be interested to get your POV on Gintama ^^

    Alex KarstenAlex KarstenIl y a 5 mois
  • Please do an analysis of the new Netflix animated show The Midnight Gospel!

    Keyera MackabeeKeyera MackabeeIl y a 5 mois
  • Oh you guys better do the philosophy of The Midnight Gospel

    空白王 アテム空白王 アテムIl y a 5 mois
  • What a bunch of horseshit - you being immortal does not justify me torturing you, for example - your life being 100 years or 1000 years does not justify ignoring your needs or doing worse to you - I am still immoral if I do that. And people would need a REALLY long time to get the part where they are out of ideas - and it would have to be all of them (the people). And every new person would need to go through all of that. So yes, eventually you get there, but just means you need something else. OR - If you could live a million lifetimes, tweaked to what you want, you could do that forever, because one of your tweaks is that during those designed lifetimes, you don't remember the infinity, OR you lose just enough for it to be good. Why doesn't this good place allow for people to reset themselves. Feeling like it's all boring and runing together? - reset back to the feeling of when it was new! Many people would gladly forget their favorite video game if it meant getting that first, amazing experience again. for example. /rant about The Good Place and the failed concept that our lives only matter because they end (it fails because it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny).

    BINARYGODBINARYGODIl y a 5 mois
  • You could almost see it as the same spectrum of dichotomy since bojack creates his meaning through uncertainty and the idea that nothing matters while TGP gave a demon and 4 people the oppurtunity to find their own meaning and desires after they died and choose their own ends.

    Lit ELit EIl y a 5 mois
  • "The Simpsons" is the best example why things must end.

    James MillerJames MillerIl y a 5 mois
  • Both the philosophical perspective of BoJack Horseman and The Good Place can be considered correct from the proper perspective. The Good Place assumes an afterlife where meaning can be found. If there's an all-encompassing moral guideline that we can achieve to then the act of striving to achieve that grants meaning to the pain and suffering we live in. And I sincerely wish but that is the case. In BoJack Horseman what comes next is unknown and unknowable possibly meaningless ( a perspective I subscribe to). We under this perspective exist as an accident of biology we are biological entities we have no soul there is no other or extra part of us . Consciousness is not necessary there is no absolute moral guideline and we strive to exist only to pass on our DNA, like mayflies. This second perspective because of our cognitive biases harder to accept but is in line with observed facts. I sincerely hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.

    Herbert MillerHerbert MillerIl y a 5 mois
  • Optimism doesn't mean sitcom simplicity. I appreciated the optimism.

    Cotton Candy SharksCotton Candy SharksIl y a 5 mois
  • this is the first video of yours I've watched. it's so well made that I didn't even realise it's 20 mins long. also 19:40 😂

    Ananya SahayAnanya SahayIl y a 5 mois
  • You know I hear this stuff a lot. Life loses meaning if you live forever. How does anyone know that? How does anyone know it would be all bad or worse Boring. Sure as were Alive in our conventional Mortality things do get Boring. However Exitment will eventually come around. I know I'm not going to live Forever. But I can make efforts to at least try.

    GFish 17GFish 17Il y a 5 mois
  • Oh my god thank you I almost cried when I saw this in my recommended I just finished the season finale of bojack and recently finished the good place too( I know I was behind ) and both of them meant so so much to me and taught me so many new perspectives and changed how I thought about life and death so I am so glad someone saw the similarities and connected them

    RandomGamer TVRandomGamer TVIl y a 5 mois
  • good job!

    Per SlettenPer SlettenIl y a 5 mois
  • Its like pizza everyone likes it ... You have it all the time you grow sick of it right

    Levi BullLevi BullIl y a 5 mois
  • Thank you, wisecrack!

    Per SlettenPer SlettenIl y a 5 mois
  • @Wisecrack Hey there! I'm a long time fan. I got around to watching this one later than I would have liked to but hey life happens. Anyways I just have one question for you. Are you out side of your minds!? The Good Place has one of the most depressing endings of any show I have ever seen! With Bojack you are left knowing that the people in the show don't know what will happen after they die. Everyone is acting on the information that they have. In the Good Place you know these characters have hit bedrock and that not even paradise can last forever. What's more The Good Place blatantly states that it is our connections with other people that give us the ability to improve and become better thus eventually allowing us to get in to the good place. Meaning that most of the time when someone walks through that door someone will be left behind in a crippling depression. Chidi actually did decide not to walk through the door because he didn't want to hurt Eleanor. Which means that he genuinely didn't want to hurt her. Yet he knew he was hurting her when he walked through the door but he wanted to walk through that door so badly that he did it anyways. Eleanor did everything she possible could to stop Chidi from walking through that door but ultimately she had to come to terms with that fact that he was making a sacrifice to stay with her. So she had to let him go despite the fact that it was the last thing that she wanted. She told him to just be gone before she woke up and that is what he did. The Good Place has the highest points of despair that are ever possible. Imagine experiencing paradise with the person that you love the most and then knowing that this person is going to walk through that door and that there is nothing you can do to stop them because if they don't want to keep on living in paradise what more could you offer them? While both shows leave me with an existential crisis the one from The Good Place was far worse.

    Joseph WeeksJoseph WeeksIl y a 5 mois
  • you are very clever, i feel smarter for having watched haha. thank you

    Aimee WinterAimee WinterIl y a 5 mois
  • O

    jestbrain ejestbrain eIl y a 5 mois
  • But really. A lot of the troops are jerks. In fact, I would say a modest estimate of the hero:jerk ratio is about 1:200. And yes, I'm a veteran. Neither a hero nor a jerk. Just a normal veteran.

    Scott KScott KIl y a 5 mois
  • Dude just use the video clips. I don’t need to see your face. No offense. No disrespect. Just saying man. Your voice is pleasant so don’t overthink it.

    ErniestotleErniestotleIl y a 5 mois
  • SPOILER; I laughed a sad clown laugh when I heard "the good place is a feel good show". The ending absolutely wrecked me while Bojack, a comedic tragedy, left me contented. =_=

    BIRBBIRBIl y a 5 mois
  • Is the Good Place an americanised version of Angle Beats?

    ddisasterddisasterIl y a 6 mois
  • Awesome collab, The Take and Wisecrack are my 2 favorite Tv/film analysis channels

    Joseph BastidasJoseph BastidasIl y a 6 mois
  • The 'to give meaning to one's life one must die' always felt like a comfortable lie that is told to allow us to accept death... Screw that, bring on the analgesic science, live forever!

    zephodbzephodbIl y a 6 mois
  • My two favorite channels collaborating on a video on two of my favorite shows? Damn, it's a good day.

    Dale MallowsDale MallowsIl y a 6 mois
  • We need Covid-19 testing!

    kk84 kk84kk84 kk84Il y a 6 mois
  • both the shows end with uncertainty. i'll just leave it there.

    Saloni SharmaSaloni SharmaIl y a 6 mois
  • That death is needed is imo a stupid idea. We all regularly start from new, end things, without dying. When you finish studying, when you move, when you change profession. There is always something new you can try and restarts you can do.

    SerithwashereSerithwashereIl y a 6 mois
  • Zach Braff is at the dinner because he died in the episode where Mr PB's house collapses from fracking

    Pierre BaudinPierre BaudinIl y a 6 mois
  • You went really hard on The Good Place’s ending but blew it by ignoring the context of the show - these are characters who are ALREADY DEAD and literally went through Hell to get what they ended up with. That’s hugely important to the end of the show, to the purpose of the archway, and to the reshaping of the entire afterlife that the characters achieved. Cmon, Wisecrack. You’re better than this.

    Robert WallisRobert WallisIl y a 6 mois
  • The problem with the solution of letting people leave the Good Place when they've found peace is: How many people would actually end themselves willingly while not in the depths of despair? Looking back on my happiest memories, I can't think of a time I would think *this is enough* I've always assumed that there would be something more to live for: A new experience, friend, or challenge. I guess that eventually they could come to the personal decision that oblivion is not something to be frightened of, but I think most people would enter that apathetic state of existence before that happened. Who knows how long or what it would take to snap them out of that? Yes, they have eternity, but that is a messy solution.

    Jarrett BenningJarrett BenningIl y a 6 mois
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