THE LIGHTHOUSE: Is It Deep or Dumb? - Wisecrack Edition

16 mai 2020
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The Lighthouse: Is there meaning in the mermaid, one-eyed seagull, and weird eroticism?
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The Lighthouse is a stupendous and stupendously baffling film. But is there meaning to the literal madness, or is a mustachioed Robert Pattinson just cool to look at? Let's find out in this Wisecrack Edition on The Lighthouse: Is It Deep or Dumb?

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  • The lighthouse is my favorite A24 movie....that is until green knight comes out

    Sam SmithSam SmithIl y a jour
  • Why’d you spill yer beans Thomas

    Ellie LovegoodEllie LovegoodIl y a jour
  • watching this high was such a fuckin Experience. both deep and dumb tbh.

    ChloeChloeIl y a 2 jours
  • I love this movie but if you asked me why I can’t tell you cuz I don’t know

    WhiteCh0c0late65WhiteCh0c0late65Il y a 2 jours
  • You guys should do more Good bad and brilliant

    Tiki ProductionsTiki ProductionsIl y a 2 jours
  • Stick to Rick and Morty, guys!

    AndreiAndreiIl y a 3 jours
  • i havent seen the film but from just this video it seems like the lighthouse is a symbol for the enlightenment/knowledge/death of god while the old man/sealore etc are symbols of the way society/humanity processed and acquired knowledge in the "old days", with a more mythical approach.

    mike gribanovmike gribanovIl y a 3 jours
  • This video dives into a much deeper, and I believe more complete analysis of the movie: frworld.info/net/vid-o/moZro8R204Gqo4w&ab_channel=Novum Highly recommend watching the analysis, came away feeling that I actually understand the movie. Also does a great job describing the depth of the atmosphere and film itself, does a great job of describing what is real and what isn't using the context clues and changes in atmosphere and film style. I believe you will agree that the atmosphere is indeed "deep" after watching.

    TwEaKTwEaKIl y a 3 jours
  • This analysis is very poor for many reasons, the movie is about the journey of a normal human being in search of enlightenment. His relationship with the lightkeeper and also his teacher has to be analyzed in details and it starts with him telling the young boy to sweep the floor, to start from the foundation ( his basic animal instincts because the light is something he can not still touch or he will go mad meaning he is not ready ). If you give enough attention I think it will be clear that the film is deeper than you think but it needs a lot of mythological information, Jungian psychology, and symbolism for it to be understandable. In solitude is when the master meets the student. The student chooses his path by himself. I think killing Eprahim and regretting it meant killing the good that was into him and now he is there to repent. In his teacher, he sees Eprahim and he has white hair and looks innocent. This is his test and his teacher acts in all kinds of ways to provoke him all kinds of emotions but before killing him he treats him like a dog like an animal putting him into the ground from where he came. Maybe we were not ready for the light, Prometheus stole it for us but we were not ready and maybe he was not ready too to take such an action and the light rejected us all. My limitation in English since it's not my native language makes it hard for me to explain it in detail but I think most of us should give this film a different approach.

    Lets KilluaLets KilluaIl y a 4 jours
  • I was hypnotized by this movie and the images are haunting. The last scene is absolute fantastic. And I’m going more for the mythological approach.

    Humberto ManlioHumberto ManlioIl y a 7 jours
  • Kind of random, but if anyone is interested another good representation of that mixture of pleasure and pain being vocalized might give a listen to the song Knife Party by Deftones. The guest vocals of Rodleen Getsic in that song are what came to mind when watching that scene of Robert Pattinson near the end of the movie, and it is just hauntingly beautiful on their own.

    GravelessOmegaGravelessOmegaIl y a 8 jours
  • Robert Pattinson isn’t horny He’s vengeance

    Julilolmo 19Julilolmo 19Il y a 8 jours
  • This movie possessed just the right measure of mermaid labia; one second more would have been too much. one second less not enough!

    Paul HPaul HIl y a 8 jours
  • if there was something to keep people from lost of hair , it would the biggest company in the world. but it not . iam ok with a person trying to sale and make money . iam talking about hair not the movie is that DUMB OR DEEP i enjoyed the movie , this is where i found out ROBERT can act

    Joe HallJoe HallIl y a 11 jours
  • About possible symbolic meaning of the esthetic choices frworld.info/net/vid-o/xHV9abmOvmi-rJ4

    Jonatan PinaJonatan PinaIl y a 13 jours
  • I KNOW TOO MUCH!!!!.

    bat manbat manIl y a 14 jours
  • I think the eroticism is because Pattenson and the dead log guy had gay encounters. He was coming to terms as he lay dying from a logging accident.

    RC CRAWLRC CRAWLIl y a 15 jours
  • The rime of the ancient mariner is one of the most horrifying poems ever

    kukusooiekukusooieIl y a 15 jours
  • You guys should have researched the son of Posidon, the shapshifitng god.

    Joel CorriveauJoel CorriveauIl y a 17 jours
  • DAMN YE WINSLOW

    tu pimp a caterpillartu pimp a caterpillarIl y a 19 jours
  • Not going to watch this because of spoilers, but I thought "The Witch" was a masterpiece, so I'm definitely going to give this a try.

    Mitch JohnsonMitch JohnsonIl y a 19 jours
  • "Sex, Death; What's the Difference?" Good to know I won't die a virgin after all.

    crumbscrumbsIl y a 20 jours
  • Why in the hell are you calling them Young and Old? That's not how they're listed on IMDB, or the movie itself.

    Medium StatusMedium StatusIl y a 22 jours
  • I think both Old and Young develop a sort of love for each other, but they can't express it in a healthy way, so they resort to attacks, either emotionally, or physically. They could have developed a platonic love for each other, but it seems like they maybe equate that kind of love with sexual love, and so they react negatively.

    Ryan MimsRyan MimsIl y a 23 jours
    • @Ryan Mims It's just kind of weird that everybody seems to be referring to them as that when it's not mentioned anywhere beyond the script, including the credits.

      Medium StatusMedium StatusIl y a 21 jour
    • @Medium Status not that it actually matters, but they're written as Young and Old in the screenplay

      Ryan MimsRyan MimsIl y a 21 jour
    • Young and Old? You mean Thomas Wake and Thomas Howard, like they're listed in the actual movie itself?

      Medium StatusMedium StatusIl y a 22 jours
  • This movie is two hours long but once the credits roles and I turned my lights on I genuinely felt like I’d been sitting there watching it for a week. Only movie to ever give me an out of body experience

    Jordan HeltonJordan HeltonIl y a 26 jours
  • not team jacob lol

    TemiTemiIl y a 26 jours
  • Ahhh ok, I couldn't tell if it was a shark vagina or a whale vagina, now it all makes sense!

    Kyle MullinsKyle MullinsIl y a 27 jours
  • The line that went, "Upon learning that the bird was Team Jacob..." pretty much floored me!

    STANSTANIl y a 28 jours
  • Wow, missed a lot of the eroticism beyond the mermaid, the light and 'I'm so lonely and horny I could almost shag this flatulant crazy old dude that I'm trapped with" bits.

    31webseries31webseriesIl y a 28 jours
  • Old is also an allusion to Proteus, or the Old Man of the Sea. He was able to tell you anything you wanted to know if you were able to capture him (which was hard, since he could shapeshift). Old changes form in his final fight with Young and is the keeper of knowledge (the light). It furthers the themes of acquiring forbidden knowledge and adds to the mythological aspect of the film

    Michael RiddickMichael RiddickIl y a 29 jours
  • Pattinson went from Twilight to Twilight Zone

    Hego DamaskHego DamaskIl y a 29 jours
  • I don't think a work has to concretely be about things to be meaningful. The Lighthouse takes a lot of inspiration from Ingmar Bergman films especially Persona which was a character study about two people losing their sense of self while isolated from the outside world together. A film can just be about a place and the people that inhabit that place and have value. Not everything has to have secret meanings behind it.

    DREAM MACHINEDREAM MACHINEIl y a mois
  • I have two theory's about this film, the first being that the ship crashed and the rest of the film is Winslow hallucinating out of shock and blood loss, the second is that Window is in purgatory, and there was no enchantment in the light, his laughter being in disbelief.

    noodlesghostnoodlesghostIl y a mois
  • Is it possible that eggers is saying that the pursuit of a full understanding is a fault that will lead to us fall down a set of stairs and that we should just fantasise about mermaids and not look to deep into it

    Aaron HawkeAaron HawkeIl y a mois
  • Can anyone let me know what causes discontinuity in people?

    Aaron HawkeAaron HawkeIl y a mois
  • I started laughing hysterically during Willem Defoe's speech where he curses Pattinson. At first, people around me weren't amused with my laughing. But as the scene dragged on and on, people caught on and soon my whole side of the theater was giggling if not outright laughing.

    Jake GibJake GibIl y a mois
  • 15:50 Robert Eggers has not broken deep or dumb -- the concept was broken from the get go.

    z0uLessz0uLessIl y a mois
  • old is shape-shifting Zeus! i think the tough part of the movie is reconciling the visuals with the dialogue. this feel like a story of power and corruption through gas-lighting but how does Prometheus, the 1 eyed bird, and mermaid play into it?

    ChrisChrisIl y a mois
  • I think it was a good call to give the movie a clear comedic edge. I find it hard to label it pretentious when Willem Dafoe keeps farting every other scene.

    Vinny SimmsVinny SimmsIl y a mois
  • i still call pretentious

    FozIrenicsFozIrenicsIl y a mois
  • It never occurred to me that sharks have vaginas. You learn something new every day...

    Tonya BrookesTonya BrookesIl y a mois
  • It isn't deep or dumb, it's art

    THE CHEAP AceTHE CHEAP AceIl y a mois
  • I think this film is smarter than wisecrack

    Wacko JackoWacko JackoIl y a mois
  • I’d say fake deep would be a good label

    Wyatt CunninghamWyatt CunninghamIl y a mois
  • "upon learning that the bird is team Jacob..."

    Briana SamameBriana SamameIl y a mois
  • That hair got you looking like the quaker oats man.

    Todd ParkerTodd ParkerIl y a mois
  • I read somewhere that the light could symbolize two things. One being confirmation that there IS more to life than this (afterlife, gods, etc), and the other being absolute nothingness. Both ideas would be horrifying.

    yssa acaylaryssa acaylarIl y a mois
  • deep or dumb lmao thats really cringe also hilarious that your audience is mainly bald men since youre advertising directly to them.

    trueharmtrueharmIl y a mois
  • If you like this movie, check out Ingmar Bergman's Hour of the Wolf, which was no doubt a huge inspiration - especially the visuals.

    racewiththefalcons1racewiththefalcons1Il y a mois
  • I think Light Represents Truth. So the Brighter thinks are the more truth is revealed.

    Covena WhiteCovena WhiteIl y a mois
  • I loved the movie 👍 Pattinson is a genious and can do anything. I hope he will be ok, after cathing the virus...

    GRU dTTGRU dTTIl y a mois
  • “Can you be deep without fully articulating a message” now THATS deep

    DookaDookaIl y a mois
  • Is all the philosophers tought-boxes intentionally written in bold white IMPACT with black margins, or is that coincidental?

    Jonas StarklintJonas StarklintIl y a mois
  • I see a lot of people saying that ‘seeing’ the light seems to have hurt him, but he clearly reaches into it. In olden times - bright lights meant hot lights. The brighter the hotter. In his kerosene addled mental state this seams to have surprised him

    Jason WilsonJason WilsonIl y a mois
  • i watched this film and after watching this video i got my own version of whats the true meaning behind the movie. young took the job to get away from the murder of his previous boss, maybe as he was questioning his sexuality at that point, when he made the move, his boss resisted and so he killed him. during the movie we realize that young is trying to find his identity and trying to accept who he is. the frustration of not being able to accept his sexuality which haunts him. when he sees the seagull before he kills him is his mind telling him of who he actually is. old is not actually THERE he is just there narrating the story and playing as a counterpart provoking his sexuality, many symbols we get in the movie is when he treats old as a dog. or when they slow dance. its his mind trying to accept that he really likes men and want dominance as he is made to do hard work and is treated kind of like a slave. the lighthouse is the symbol of truth. accepting who he really is. the fire is lust for a person of same gender. we see that it is hard for him to mas**rubate to the figure, because its not who he really is or wants. he imagines old as a sexual figure before beating him. the octopus is lust trying to give in. but he fights it off.

    aryan mishraaryan mishraIl y a mois
  • I'd argue that if a film makes you create and answers to question on your own, it's deeper than if a film gives its own answers to its own questions. The Prince of Saint Exupery is a good example of this, but as a book. The point is not to find answers in the text, but to ask yourself different questions each time you read it or talk about it with someone else.

    Prinnydad NopePrinnydad NopeIl y a mois
  • Old turned in to neptune

    PlumbusterPlumbusterIl y a mois
    • That's who I was thinking of.

      4Ever Infinite4Ever InfiniteIl y a 29 jours
  • When he said you're fond of me lobster I thought it was a sexual euphemism. And I'm glad I'm not the only one who things that monologue was dope

    Johnathan. AvilesJohnathan. AvilesIl y a mois
  • Your channel has way too many f'ing ads. Great content but it's frustrating & irritating being forced to watch several commercials and an in video pitch.

    jasoncollins379jasoncollins379Il y a mois
  • Is it deep or dumb? It's up to you. That's the beauty of ambiguity.

    Grim1952Grim1952Il y a mois
  • as a female with hair "loss", I just want to say that it is ok to lose hair, Jared. You will be forever my internet crush - despite with or without hair KSAPKSPA ♥ You are awesome. cute and gorgeous and OMG SO INTELLIGENT AND CLEVER! ♥ always will be - from a forever fangirl; xoxo ♥

    Yeo AnaYeo AnaIl y a mois
    • FYI, I don't have hair loss or alopetia - I just have thin hair from stress. anyway - call me ♥ (aka send me a message, I guess >_

      Yeo AnaYeo AnaIl y a mois
  • Can't show Robert Pattinson dying on a beach, but you can show his bare ass spanking it.

    mattronimusmattronimusIl y a mois
  • I have a joke for you I like yer lobster

    Alec PinnockAlec PinnockIl y a mois
  • DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB

    SuperKane5SuperKane5Il y a mois
  • It was a meh for me.

    Susan BurgessSusan BurgessIl y a mois
  • Dumb😄😄😄

    Susan BurgessSusan BurgessIl y a mois
  • I think they went crazy from drinking sea water . .

    The Marine AbroadThe Marine AbroadIl y a mois
  • This movie was pure pretentious crap.

    HelzapoppinHelzapoppinIl y a mois
    • Most films today are. There is a 2016 version that looks better.

      4Ever Infinite4Ever InfiniteIl y a 29 jours
    • How was it pretentious?

      Pervis EdmondsPervis EdmondsIl y a mois
  • Batman and green goblin have a mental breakdown.

    one HOT crocc.one HOT crocc.Il y a mois
  • I think people put way too much stock into literal/holistic readings like it all has to 1:1 match the plot of greek mythology or something. Coming from The Witch it appears to me Eggers is broadly fascinated with a lost connection between people and nature, exploring in both films a sort of beast/man/god intercourse in the wild, in the past. The characters even swap dog/god roles near the end.

    Andy GalliganAndy GalliganIl y a mois
  • sound of silence disturbed

    Vashanna WashingtonVashanna WashingtonIl y a mois
  • 8:07 “the nebulous line between sex and death...” Idk what type of sex y’all are having but it seems distinctly different from death from where I’m sitting.

    Noah ChenNoah ChenIl y a mois
  • Its a Mindfuck movie, and it works

    Ultra_axe781Ultra_axe781Il y a mois
  • The one eyed seagull could also be a symbol for Odin, who sacrificed his eye for wisdom. So maybe Olds former partner did so and had to die because of it.

    Luther BlissettLuther BlissettIl y a mois
  • DEEP

    Jane EfremovaJane EfremovaIl y a mois
  • I laughed so hard when he smashed that seagull to bits

    HeisenbergHeisenbergIl y a mois
  • I read this article on Bloody-Disgusting a few months ago and it gave me an entirely new perspective. Perhaps it can help some of you decode the secrets as well. bloody-disgusting.com/editorials/3613569/keeping-secrets-diving-folklore-myths-behind-lighthouse/

    Michael CaringiMichael CaringiIl y a mois
  • No one ever talks about the obvious mercury poisoning.

    John CraftonJohn CraftonIl y a mois
  • Yoooooo nice twin peaks blanket!

    chokotorachokotoraIl y a mois
  • I respect the middle ground take. Depth in something means that there are complex layers both melodies as well as entirely discernable and independent. Kinda like a really good sandwich. In one fell swoop your mind says "turkey sandwich" but as you chew you notice the burst of tomato or the crunch of onion. To me it has the layers, they are discernable, but flowing and singularly comprehensible? No. But... I also think that's the point. Wilson is arguablly the audience as he has goals, emotions, and challenges his mental, physical, and spiritual enviorments. The fog horn. The flatulence. The BOMBARDMENT of maritime imagery to a former logger is jarring and lingers to viewers when they discuss it with friends. Its as if we, the audience, went through the same numbing journey of violence, confusion, and desperation as him. As for the light. I think that's it. I think it's purely a light and nothing more. To find out Tom was just staring naked at a fucking light, truly being a crazy loon who is merely coping with his own cruel tendencies, it would probably freak you out considering everything in between like. "Are you fucking kidding me. I killed a man over this?" But the problem is the average viewer need to grasp an intention that is clear within the "page 12" (as writers dub) that drills the plot then and there and frankly... can't find it. Its not pretensious but its certainly misguided.

    Atomic RebellionAtomic RebellionIl y a mois
  • you forgot to mention that Old is Epimitheus from Greek mythology. He was an old greek god of the sea with deep knowledge

    solo goudasolo goudaIl y a 2 mois
  • Of course it's deep, this film is layered in so many ways, and it's all so hard to unpack. A masterpiece in filmmaking.

    Wackaz - Arthur WackerWackaz - Arthur WackerIl y a 2 mois
  • This film and The Witch are two of the most deepest films in recent memory, and they are both made by the same damn people.

    Wackaz - Arthur WackerWackaz - Arthur WackerIl y a 2 mois
  • I think that allusions to the ocean in a.... is it Freudian? sense are appropriate here. The two men are lost, and being in the middle of nowhere allows- or forces- them to confront extremely deep 'truths' about themselves. What these truths are is not necessarily made clear. I'm not even sure the point is for us to discover what they are. It is more so about the experience of confronting them, and the inability to make sense of reality afterward. In a vacuum, this could be viewed as a hopeless showcasing of the mystery of human unconsciousness. I see it in a more inspiring light, however, as I don't think this is really brought up enough in film. It's understandable that one of the first major attempts at it in mainstream cinema of the 21st century would be a horrifying and disturbing slow burn. We are being invaded by thoughts and feelings we didn't realize we had. But the film shows us moments where young and old come close to embracing these inner feelings, as you've pointed out, yet they end up not being sure how to incorporate them into their existences and lash out in response.

    Jordan ThompsonJordan ThompsonIl y a 2 mois
  • An unbroken cycle of taking over power from those who powered over you, the seagull, the sea, Young's old boss, Young's new boss, ambition and punishment for what you do to get it. The never ending cycle was what my first through was after watching, anyone else?

    Aoife CossAoife CossIl y a 2 mois
  • At some point I just had the feeling of “this feels like how the shining should have felt” people talk about the shining like it was the apex predator of the horror kingdom. But this movie is just. I can not fucking credit it enough. I loved every single thing about this movie.

    BenzimaruBenzimaruIl y a 2 mois
  • The most confusing thing to me was why Patinsen’s accent changed halfway through the film from Irish to like...seacoast New England? I honestly was so distracted by it I thought the film was trying to hint that young had become a different person

    Colin MackeyColin MackeyIl y a 2 mois
  • I just thought of something:... The "Lobster" scene could mean that "Steak = Woman/Vagina" and "Lobster = Man/Penis"... He wanted a "steak", but since he doesn't have, he has to be satisfied with a "lobster", even when Winslow is too ashamed to assume it. "If I have a steak... I would >>> FUCK IT

    Igor AltaeciusIgor AltaeciusIl y a 2 mois
    • That...might... be...right. I say this because Tom took the whole thing like a rejection of character like an overreacting teenager over text messages. The guy went on like a 5 min "fuck you Wilson" rant over dinner validation. Definitely some blue ball undertones.

      Atomic RebellionAtomic RebellionIl y a mois
  • Its just a retelling of a story get off your high horse

    Mickey LoudryMickey LoudryIl y a 2 mois
    • @Peaceful Dusk no actually it wasnt

      Mickey LoudryMickey LoudryIl y a mois
    • Sorry the film was too deep for you to understand.

      Peaceful DuskPeaceful DuskIl y a mois
  • Two months late but I had just seen this movie. Honestly I do agree with the Prometheus parallels. But there is another possible reference, H. P. Lovecraft. Lovecraftian tales are almost always structured like this movie. Usually with one character discovering a truth or object that drives them mad. In the case of the movie it's not exactly the same. But here me out. So Young discovers the effigy of the mermaid. A strange thing to find especially when we get the scene where Old tells Young about his former partner. How he went mad and believed the light was enchanted and raved about mermaids. This is the moment where the seeds of madness are planted. Then we get the obsession with the light on the part of Young. Climbing the tower to catch a glimpse of what is up there. Which only drives Young farther into madness. Then we are shown another Lovecraftian reference in the tentacles. A possible reference to Cthulhu, a prominent Old One in the Mythos. The light itself is another reference to Lovecraftian horror. There are many stories about lights that are either from space or have maddening qualities. Finally the ocean is a very big figure in the movie. Often times the ocean is linked with the unknown much like space. In the Cthulhu Mythos it is believe Cthulhu is slumbering beneath the waves along with other horrors that do his bidding. Just something to think about. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk

    Leo GraveLeo GraveIl y a 2 mois
  • Hey wisecrack, is Netflix Dark deep or dumb? Even if you dont make a whole video bout it, a simple reply would be much appreciated.

    Tarequr RahmanTarequr RahmanIl y a 2 mois
  • The lighthouse represents sanity. As the film progresses and the two men start to lose their mind you will notice more water pouring into the lighthouse represents mental decay.

    Genghis KhanGenghis KhanIl y a 2 mois
  • god i need a movie with Pattison as batman and Dafoe as joker asap

    santiago sena guerrasantiago sena guerraIl y a 2 mois
    • Honestly. I want to see Pattinson playing Dracula at this point. xd Just imagine giving him a proper Dracula film and him totally slaying the role and thus putting that shite Twilight film to rest.

      Peaceful DuskPeaceful DuskIl y a mois
  • Rime of the Ancient Mariner, not just a cool poem, but a bad ass metal epic. :D

    SwashBuccaneerSwashBuccaneerIl y a 2 mois
  • Have you guys done an Umbrella Academy video? I think that would be a good one

    Wyatt EvansWyatt EvansIl y a 2 mois
  • Young and old are the same person. This movie pulled a Fight Club on us.

    Chris MatthewsChris MatthewsIl y a 2 mois
  • It must have been terrible to live back then.

    David PerrierDavid PerrierIl y a 2 mois
  • Thank you for making this video! It's one of the reading for my course this semester, but it's really not the kind of movie I would enjoy watching, so now I feel like I can show up to my tutorial and sound like I know what I'm talking about!

    alwaysgettingtherealwaysgettingthereIl y a 2 mois
  • While I'm not 100% certain what symbolically (or even literally) is happening with the fight between Iphraim and Tom (Not Young and Old), I can deduce that Tom is either symbolically or literally the very God he summoned earlier in the film; Triton, who had an ability to change his shape to fool men into false security. It's also worth noting that Poseidon is Triton's father, and was, in some versions of the tale, the first God to call for Prometheus' punishment. EDIT: My mistake, Proteus is actually the shape-shifting "Old man of the Sea", who answered to Poseidon AKA Triton.

    HeronKijHeronKijIl y a 2 mois
  • You’ve got it wrong

    AgelesslinkAgelesslinkIl y a 2 mois
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