STAR WARS: The Tragedy of Episode 3

22 juin 2020
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Star Wars Episode 3 is a tragedy, but not the kind you might expect.
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Of all the prequels, Episode 3 is undoubtedly the best. But still, there's something that keeps it from being great. Join us as we figure out what that is in this Wisecrack Edition on Star Wars: The Tragedy of Episode 3.

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  • What are your thoughts on Star Wars Episode 3? Let us know and while you're at it don't forget to checkout our podcasts over at wscrk.com/2FuJqSw for more Wisecrack content!

    WisecrackWisecrackIl y a 4 mois
    • Still Anakin Skywalker have more intersting characters from mErY sUe pAlPaTiN.

      panos 111panos 111Il y a 5 jours
    • Yes it was a simiplar time back in the day, when only boys toys, movies, and products were aimed at the inner manchild, but now women want to have child like experiences like men do. Because that's what episode 3's biggest problem is. The jedi taught Anakin to trust his feelings without giving true guidance because they feared his strength. They also never taught him what is meant to have a family, because he never trusts Padmé or Obi-wan to help protect his secret love and children. If the Jedi had Anakin wouldn't have been weakened by fear and anger for Padmé or that Obi-wan (his most trusted brother) wasn't trying to help both him and Padmé to get out of the darkness that the Jedi forced him into by being their special war machine but with no recognition for his hero status. Let alone that this should have been two movies instead of one. Funny how you make a video about cartoons, animation, Heros and villans, fake people or products sold to you after shitting all over people who passionately love disney. "If you aim for kids, you are dead in the water. Adults are only kids grown up anyways." Walt Disney And he was RIGHT. The fact that your podcast shits on other's enjoyment of events or that you try to bring JUDGMENT onto those who would go to any kind of event is that they need to follow your rules and socialize? No that is your own personal opinion AND insecurities on how you SHOULD ACT that are compelling YOU to make those kind of actions during an activity that normally has adults. The middle idiot (Michael) is nothing more than being a KAREN in his belief that children come first? Sorry, but bring a less than 7 year old to the parks feels cruel to me (especially with how hot it is) and that you would assume everyone had a disney childhood just proves how ignorant and rich YOUR FAMILY was in order to give you that opportunity that others COULDN'T because MONEY you dip! I am sorry, but i am unsubscribing because of those two idiot males who have power in this channel to think they can just pass judgment for no reason than because THEY don't understand it. The female was trying, the male adults, seriously screw you! I barely got to go to Disneyland as a kid because I had relatives who worked at the park, and we were too poor to stay long. You can bet your ass I will go as an adult when the pandemic is more controlled but even then I am held back by adult responsibility and lack of cash. So go ahead, flash your wealth that you can even offer an opinion, when rich assholes like you have no idea on how human emotions work for all your "deep dives" you lack the ability to understand human emotions. This is coming from a 30 year old with a BA in Psychology/Biology. You are nothing but fake if you can accept this property but not Disney. Unsubscribing for the owners of the channels dumb comments on their podcast on Disney Adults, of which I am not, but screw you for passing judgment onto others MR. KARENS. Yep you guys are gross with your own version of law & order considering your judgmental podcast.

      WildKat25WildKat25Il y a mois
    • Yes it was a simiplar time back in the day, when only boys toys, movies, and products were aimed at the inner manchild, but now women want to have child like experiences like men do. Because that's what episode 3's biggest problem is. The jedi taught Anakin to trust his feelings without giving true guidance because they feared his strength. They also never taught him what is meant to have a family, because he never trusts Padmé or Obi-wan to help protect his secret love and children. If the Jedi had Anakin wouldn't have been weakened by fear and anger for Padmé or that Obi-wan (his most trusted brother) wasn't trying to help both him and Padmé to get out of the darkness that the Jedi forced him into by beimg their special war machine but with no recognition for his hero status. Funny how you make a video about cartoons, animation, Heros and villans, fake people or products sold to you after shitting all over people who passionately love disney. "If you aim for kids, you are dead in the water. Adults are only kids grown up anyways." Walt Disney And he was RIGHT. The fact that your podcast shits on other's enjoyment of events or that you try to bring JUDGMENT onto those who would go to any kind of event is that they need to follow your rules and socialize? No that is your own personal opinion AND insecurities on how you SHOULD ACT that are compelling YOU to make those kind of actions during an activity that normally has adults. The middle idiot (Michael) is nothing more than being a KAREN in his belief that children come first? Sorry, but bring a less than 7 year old to the parks feels cruel to me (especially with how hot it is) and that you would assume everyone had a disney childhood just proves how ignorant and rich YOUR FAMILY was in order to give you that opportunity that others COULDN'T because MONEY you dip! I am sorry, but i am unsubscribing because of those two idiot males who have power in this channel to think they can just pass judgment for no reason than because THEY don't understand it. The female was trying, the male adults, seriously screw you! I barely got to go to Disneyland as a kid because I had relatives who worked at the park, and we were too poor to stay long. You can bet your ass I will go as an adult when the pandemic is more controlled but even then I am held back by adult responsibility and lack of cash. So go ahead, flash your wealth that you can even offer an opinion, when rich assholes like you have no idea on how human emotions work for all your "deep dives" you lack the ability to understand human emotions. This is coming from a 30 year old with a BA in Psychology/Biology. You are nothing but fake if you can accept this property but not Disney. Unsubscribing for the owners of the channels dumb comments on their podcast on Disney Adults, of which I am not, but screw you for passing judgment onto others MR. KARENS. Yep you guys are gross with your own version of law & order considering your judgmental podcast.

      WildKat25WildKat25Il y a mois
    • Great Video! (His killing of the entire Tusken-Raider village was his first step to falling to the Dark Side)

      The Portland BellThe Portland BellIl y a 2 mois
    • The story of Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader, is actually a tale of the Fallen Angel. Anakin succumbs to evil in Episode 3. Darth Vader found the good within himself to see what the Emperor was doing to his son. Darth Vader chose to serve the light side of the Force one last time by overthrowing the Emperor, thus earning his redemption near the end of Episode 6. It plays out when Luke turns to see Vader, Obi Wan and Yoda next to each other smiling at the end of the film. I'm still confused as to why Anakin had to be burned after he died, as Obi Wan and Yoda vanished after dying and reappeared shortly after as force ghosts. Them plot holes. Anyway, to get you off of that... I highly suggest people head over to the channel: Auralnauts. And watch the 1st video of their *Star Wars Saga.* Titled: _STAR WARS EP 1: Jedi Party._ It has a great take on the roles of the Imperials trying to run a restaurant chain. While the Rebels are addicted to Midichlorians, going to every corner of the universe to find them. ;)

      SmallTownGamerSmallTownGamerIl y a 3 mois
  • Anakin's tragedy: desire to save loved one, his self doubt , his losses, need to control his circumstances, his anger/frustration/confusion towards his own mistrusting council and also Palpatine's manipulation.

    Otar 3000Otar 3000Il y a 22 heures
  • The fight between anakin and obi wan just showed how „dellusional“ and overconfident anakin has become. Through the whole fight obiwan was in the defense, but still won because anakins overconfidence made him try to beat obiwan with his own move (obiwan killing darth maul) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ really a shame how anakin‘s life ended :/

    Boro StepanovicBoro StepanovicIl y a 2 jours
  • Pfft, who died and left Aristotle in charge of tragic structure?

    Bill MalcolmBill MalcolmIl y a 2 jours
  • Anakin wasn’t even Anakin anymore. He is Darth Vader at that point. Killing the younglings was just a part of Order 66. Darth Vader believed destroying the Jedi would prevent Padme from dying. So in the end it really was his fear of loss that drove him to killing the younglings and Palpatine’s command to execute Order 66. So it’s not really out of character just the situation and context of the plot going from bad to worst case scenario.

    Just ChrisJust ChrisIl y a 3 jours
  • I’ll say this- your points are accurate, but all of Anakin’s flaws can be boiled down to a two vices: Envy and Greed. Anakin wanted power, he wanted vengeance, and he wanted to keep what was his, hence his fear of losing it. Wanted, wanted, wanted, his his his. Envy and greed. He envied the opportunity to be better than the Jedi and Obi-Wan. It lead to his downfall.

    Wastelander1972Wastelander1972Il y a 4 jours
  • I don't understand this video....lol

    Sean HarrisSean HarrisIl y a 4 jours
  • It's too bad episode 3 wasn't written that well and everyone is just blind and stupid to make everything sync up to the OT. Anakin wasn't even seduced but really tricked into joining Palpatine and goes along with him even though he admits to lying about being able to save Padme Why would he continue with his plan when he knows Palpatine can't give him what he seeks: the power to stop people from dying? Makes no sense for what his character wants. Maybe if we saw more of the relationship between Anakin and Palpatine we could see his blind loyalty built up, but we only see them actually hang out in episode 3 a few times. Episode 2 really should have been about his growing relationship with Padme AND Palpatine to have Anakin's choice of joining him make more sense.

    gimpytheimpgimpytheimpIl y a 4 jours
  • Correction: Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson Come on wisecrack

    MrCarpioMrCarpioIl y a 5 jours
  • I follow along pretty well until the end there. Imagine this: Anakin goes to more and more desperate lengths to protect his loved ones, but when they all find out, they turn their backs on him in disgust. Not only is Anakin left with nothing left to lose, but he's also left without any justification for his terrible actions, solidifying his change into Darth Vader. This would make Luke's reluctance to give up on Vader after learning the truth all the more impactful and also give new meaning to Vader's final sacrifice as it would symbolize him turning back into the Anakin who would go to extreme lengths to protect those he cared about.

    MisterDavisoMisterDavisoIl y a 5 jours
  • “...and while the film is certainly no masterpiece...” *dislike*

    jerome riedljerome riedlIl y a 6 jours
  • Excellent video. You put into words what I found wrong about Anakin's character in a way I could not. My problems with episode 3: - the acting was still stilted (Ian McDiarmid and Ewan McGregor excluded) - the dialogue was frequently bad and was made worse by the robotic acting - it relied on a bunch of concepts that are never adequately explained in the trilogy (why did the Jedi think "bringing balance to the force" meant eliminating the Sith, how the singular Palpatine blinded thousands of Jedi of their force sight when he barely won his fights against Yoda and Mace Windu, why Jedi aren't allowed to have relationships) - Palpatine's plan only works because the characters are dumb motherfuckers, which is bad screenwriting - Anakin was even more of a bratty, unstable idiot for the second movie in a row. Padme and the Jedi are idiots for missing the warning signs that something is seriously wrong with him. Palpatine is an idiot for putting so much faith in the bratty, unstable idiot; as Yoda points out. It's a shame, because making the prequels about how democracies die and tyrants rise was a terrific idea and the sequence of events definitely could have worked with a better screenplay and giving the actors proper direction.

    Pazuzu4AllPazuzu4AllIl y a 7 jours
  • I think his true flaw is freedom

    Glenn cruzGlenn cruzIl y a 7 jours
  • Although he was talking about something else, Moviebob was right. The truly awful movies are not the movies made by talentless people that are bad in every way. Those movies have a certain charm. The truly awful movies (he was talking about Batman v Superman) are made by otherwise talented people who should have known better. I think this applies to the prequel trilogy. You see just enough hints of the better movies that they could have been to make them impossibly awful.

    Paul T SjordalPaul T SjordalIl y a 8 jours
  • 15:11 Jedi children? You mean yOuNgLiNgS? xD

    zotharrzotharrIl y a 12 jours
  • For some reason, this video feels like you are trying to put a shoe into a box, in which it doesn't fit, so you are blaming the shoe... I know the movie has lots of shortcomings, but just because it doesn't fit into a structure some guy put together, you cant blame the movie for that

    zotharrzotharrIl y a 12 jours
  • interesting analysis, but I think the REAL issue with episode 3 is a consistent issue with all three prequels: infantile dialogue. It was not as infantile in episode 3, but I still cringed every time Anakyn and Padme appeared in the same scene. The dialogue was painfully rigid, inorganic, etc. Episode 3 also had fewer of the logical incredulities, but it ended with a whopper: Padme died because she "has lost the will to live." I'm ok with the multiple/fluctuating flaws -- except insofar as they just made Anakyn out to be a prattling, whiny twerp. But that was an issue with his character throughout the prequels, and it's the same template Lucas built with Luke, so I'm going back to the prequels simply being childish with poorly written dialog and actors who couldn't overcome such directorial/script handicaps with screen charisma (vs. e.g., Harrison Ford). It think it also really hurt all three prequels that Lucas exerted direct autocratic control over each film. The most poorly written dialogue in the original trilogy was Star Wars (ep 4), and that's the one Lucas wrote and directed. that's the one in which Luke looks and feels like the whiny Anakyn of the prequels. Anakyn never grows up? Also, as a Classical Greek scholar with a special interest in Attic tragedy, I want to commend you on not translating hamartia as sin or flaw. Halliwell was a good choice (it that was indeed your primary window into the issue). Mistake or error is far more accurate. "Flaw" is comically wrong. Oedipus is the best of humans. If Oedipus is flawed, then all humans are flawed. It's not a flaw. It's called being human. Humans make mistakes and misinterpret things (human's operate via empirical knowledge not absolute - we err).

    Daniel GremmlerDaniel GremmlerIl y a 12 jours
  • Shut your face! Revenge of the Sith is an ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE!!!

    97Multiphantom97MultiphantomIl y a 12 jours
  • Anikin did nothing wrong

    Skippity BlippitySkippity BlippityIl y a 13 jours
  • He had constraints but could definitely make it so that he actually had a good reason to make the choices he made. It would actually have strengthened Darth Vader if on rewatch we could hate AND understand him. Instead he just went from evil cool to evil pathetic.

    Francesco DondiFrancesco DondiIl y a 15 jours
  • I think Revan is the Reason Anakin's fall really happened. The Mandalorian War saw many Republic worlds fall, especially in the outer rim. The Jedi at the time refused to join until they understood the threat. Revan and Meetra Surik recruited Jedi to fight with them in the war to turn the tide of the war, until the mass shadow emitter killed everyone on Malachor V ending the war, both Jedi went different ways after the war. Revan became a pawn of the emperor of Dromund Kass along with his padawan Malak, and all republic and Jedi who followed them, while Meetra and the rest of the Republic returned after the war, she became exiled and didn't come in contact with Revan until she learned he was on Dromund Kass. The Jedi Civil War crippled the Jedi, but they rebuilt their order not to long after. They'd become more involved in the republic affairs, which would lead to the commitment that Revan inspired during the Mandalorian war for the republic, but with the same system they've had for thousands of years. By the time Darth Bane changed the rules, he saw the Jedi's fall as inevitable due to the blindness they'd allow to depend on the force and not commit to war. So when the Anakin came to them, they could've been more practical about training him and not ruin him due to "this is the way". The Jedi Order cannot exist to serve a faction that can be challenged by other factions with force users without loss. Anakin's fall is due to the Jedi being unable to think for themselves before their order, if the could've, they would've left courasant to typhon during the clone wars and focus on most likely the teachings Qui-Gon Jinn believed, and if he didnt die in phantom, that most likely would've happened anyway then Anakin would've become vader and obi wan would be himself and then some. Order 66 would've happened, but typhon would've been able to hold off the Empire due to their isolation and practice, possible assisting neutral systems under a new faction just to preserve peace.

    August the710MessiahAugust the710MessiahIl y a 20 jours
  • In my opinion Obi-Wan was a terrible master because he should have realized that Anakin was a special case and should have fought for him like you'll see a lot of the times where he just argues a lot with him and tries to not let him participate in so many things he feels left out he even said it and then after being left out of missions and being treated different then he's asked to go spy on someone who makes him feel special someone other than padme someone who seems a lot like Qui-Gon and how Qui-Gon used to look at him and treat him because Obi-Wan always treated Anakin like if he wasn't that much of a big deal even in the first movie when Obi-Wan hears about Anakin from Qui-Gon saying that he's special he says that he's just more dead weight essentially and that he shouldn't come along he also shouldn't be trained the only reason he ends up training Anakin is because his master told him to before his death and doing something just to do it isn't going to work out very well I mean it's just like doing a homework or something and you're doing it but you're doing it for the satisfaction of just getting it done not actually putting the fourth effort and time that is needed to do the assignment and then this instance Obi-Wan did not put a lot of time nor build a lot of bond with Anakin Obi-Wan would countless times say that you're not ready and not support Anakin enough especially in moments that counted or at least fought for him to the Jedi council and not agree with them even if it's just saying like hey rethink this reevaluate this situation let Anakin possibly come with me the only way he's going to learn is to come with me would have gone a long way in Anakin's eyes but since Obi-Wan did not do that enough and kind of let the council do whatever that they wanted to do to Anakin he felt betrayed and that's why he never had a connection with obi when he was always against him he always thought that Obi-Wan was undermining him or making him feel like he wasn't enough which is why he has to see his approval from the chancellor and allows the chancellor to be his mentor because the chancellor reminds him and treats him in such a way that Qui-Gon did in a supporting way and treated fairly and the same as everyone else unlike Obi-Wan and the Jedi council pushing him away not letting him be involved in the certain battles the flaw is the Jedi's councils treatment over Anakin even knowing that he was a special case and was older when joined into the Jedi order they should have known that they should have treated him different and if Obi-Wan was just going to mentor Anakin Because Qui-Gon told him to isn't enough to become a mentor yet to fully support that person you have to believe in that person and you have to make them believe that you believe in them with your full heart that means fight for them even if you know they shouldn't come on that mission at least fight for them to go and show that you still support them coming along or that you would like to showing that goes a long way and because Obi-Wan did not show that and did not fight for Anakin enough to be treated the same as others on the council it's what made Anakin feel so apart and run towards the chancellor especially in the desperate times where he felt like he couldn't trust anyone there because of the way he was being treated

    INFINITE DRIPINFINITE DRIPIl y a 21 jour
  • People can kiss my ass... even with its flaws narratively episode 3 was the best in the series

    joseph glennjoseph glennIl y a 22 jours
  • The prequel trilogy could've been great. I think lucas could've just made one movie explaining how Anakin becomes Darthvader. The whole trilogy feels bloated with bad cheesy acting to much politics and special effects that don't hold up today.

    Nelson ForeroNelson ForeroIl y a 24 jours
  • Such is the nature of the dark side. It corrupts. People turn to it in order to gain power, power to achieve their goals. But after a time, power becomes the goal, and they are truly lost.

    Silent ReflectionSilent ReflectionIl y a 25 jours
  • The reason for the mistaken judgement isn't clear but it exists. anakin was always belittled by the council. Obi wan pulled him back in ep 2, He was misguided by palpatine but ultimately it was the jedi's own fault. his lust for power was caused by fear.... the fear of not being good enough, He was supposedly he choosen one ,he supposedly was going to be the strongest jedi yet he couldn't save his mother, This is shown in ep 2 time and time again, he doesn't want power for himself ... he wants it to save others around him . He killed the children because his faith in jedi was change... Like he said from his point of view the jedi were evil, mace actively went against the jedi code. The jedi coucil went to kill palaptine, it certainly is weird ( I think lucas could have explored jedi being evil in the eyes of anakin a bit more ) but not unexplainable. Darth vader was never supposed to be a villain but rather a broken man, this was george's intention and that is why he comes back to light in rotj. the last point is valid though but personally revenge of the sith is damn near perfection

    agent prismarineagent prismarineIl y a 25 jours
  • Counter-argument for Anakin's "sudden" murder of children: Anakin was ORDERED by Sidious to leave no one alive. "Do not hesitate, show no mercy." Then when he's finally facing the children, Anakin hesitates. He takes about several seconds to whip out his saber, but even then, he doesn't IMMEDIATELY strike them down.

    determinator 94determinator 94Il y a 28 jours
  • I love the way this channel has grown.

    Tim LubinTim LubinIl y a 29 jours
  • Flaws and all RoTS will always be my favorite Star Wars movie

    necro nerdnecro nerdIl y a mois
  • revenge of the sith is one of the best star wars imo, not a masterpiece maybe but still great

    Y0ungContrarianY0ungContrarianIl y a mois
  • Can't F*ing wait until this generation moves on and those who understand and appreciate the prequels, PM and all, take over

    Jack SteelJack SteelIl y a mois
  • you know i watched the whole thing over with my wife cause she never saw star wars. when i asked her what movie was her favorite she told me episode three. I was like what? and she said that simply it was the most tragic and filled and answered so much . i agree with her.

    Huraca RobertsHuraca RobertsIl y a mois
  • Episode 3 is the best Star Wars. You can’t change my mind

    patriot459patriot459Il y a mois
  • I feel like you slightly missed the point on Anakins motivation. He was motivated almost entirely by love. His flaw was that he had too much emotion, his lust for power and fear all revolve around his love for padme. He wants more power so they can live happily together then the dreams begin to interrupt that so he goes from wanting power so him and padme can be together, to him wanting power to keep her alive. He admires Palpatine like a father, which further stems from his emotional problems, he grew attached to palpy and padme. That’s just my take tho

    Adam LoutsenhizerAdam LoutsenhizerIl y a mois
  • Yes it was a simiplar time back in the day, when only boys toys, movies, and products were aimed at the inner manchild, but now women want to have child like experiences like men do. Because that's what episode 3's biggest problem is. The jedi taught Anakin to trust his feelings without giving true guidance because they feared his strength. They also never taught him what is meant to have a family, because he never trusts Padmé or Obi-wan to help protect his secret love and children. If the Jedi had Anakin wouldn't have been weakened by fear and anger for Padmé or that Obi-wan (his most trusted brother) wasn't trying to help both him and Padmé to get out of the darkness that the Jedi forced him into by being their special war machine but with no recognition for his hero status. Let alone that this should have been two movies instead of one. Funny how you make a video about cartoons, animation, Heros and villans, fake people or products sold to you after shitting all over people who passionately love disney. "If you aim for kids, you are dead in the water. Adults are only kids grown up anyways." Walt Disney And he was RIGHT. The fact that your podcast shits on other's enjoyment of events or that you try to bring JUDGMENT onto those who would go to any kind of event is that they need to follow your rules and socialize? No that is your own personal opinion AND insecurities on how you SHOULD ACT that are compelling YOU to make those kind of actions during an activity that normally has adults. The middle idiot (Michael) is nothing more than being a KAREN in his belief that children come first? Sorry, but bring a less than 7 year old to the parks feels cruel to me (especially with how hot it is) and that you would assume everyone had a disney childhood just proves how ignorant and rich YOUR FAMILY was in order to give you that opportunity that others COULDN'T because MONEY you dip! I am sorry, but i am unsubscribing because of those two idiot males who have power in this channel to think they can just pass judgment for no reason than because THEY don't understand it. The female was trying, the male adults, seriously screw you! I barely got to go to Disneyland as a kid because I had relatives who worked at the park, and we were too poor to stay long. You can bet your ass I will go as an adult when the pandemic is more controlled but even then I am held back by adult responsibility and lack of cash. So go ahead, flash your wealth that you can even offer an opinion, when rich assholes like you have no idea on how human emotions work for all your "deep dives" you lack the ability to understand human emotions. This is coming from a 30 year old with a BA in Psychology/Biology. You are nothing but fake if you can accept this property but not Disney. Unsubscribing for the owners of the channels dumb comments on their podcast on Disney Adults, of which I am not, but screw you for passing judgment onto others MR. KARENS. Yep you guys are gross with your own version of law & order considering your judgmental podcast.

    WildKat25WildKat25Il y a mois
  • What i find kinda sad about Episode 3 is that at the time it was the closest we got to a Prequel Trilogy that could have been great until we received The Clone Wars series in the late 2000's although the prior Clone Wars series made by the same creators of Samurai Jack was also great although it's kinda sad how it didn't have the same notoriety as the second Clone Wars had and was just kinda forgotten by many people which is a damn shame. I just wished that what we got in The Clone Wars series is also what we could have had in the Prequel Trilogy.

    Stefan RadebachStefan RadebachIl y a mois
  • Aaaaand... No mention of The Clone Wars?

    Byron StukenbergByron StukenbergIl y a mois
  • Go back to reddit prequelmemes, you’re drunk

    Flynn°-°94Flynn°-°94Il y a mois
  • The tragedy of Ep. 3 is the same as the tragedy of episode 2. It's that Hayden Christensen is in it.

    Jeremiah NoeJeremiah NoeIl y a mois
  • Anakin's flaw is attachments he wants power to protect those he cares about, he is doomed the second the jedi take him in and he still is attached to his mother.

    Douglas QuesadaDouglas QuesadaIl y a mois
  • I swear every single line of dialogue in the prequels has been memed.

    Charlie SnedenCharlie SnedenIl y a mois
  • The part you got way wrong was Anakin choking Padime. He force choked her because its the safest most gentle way you can incapacitate someone. Not because he wanted to hurt her no because he wanted to incapacitate her.

    Maria BourquinMaria BourquinIl y a mois
  • Wait a second.... what are the 6 secret story types not mentioned in the book? There clearly are 13 in total! :o

    SnagabottSnagabottIl y a mois
  • What set Anakin on the darker path was the fact that he chose the path of least resistance. He wanted the rank of master in order to access the jedi archives to uncover how he might save Padme. When Palpatine offered the "easier" solution, he embraced it because he grew tiresome of the Jedi, and their looking down on him. Obi Wan even asked him to be patient.

    TRUTH DIRECTIVETRUTH DIRECTIVEIl y a mois
  • I'm sorry: did you just accept the sequel trillogy is crap?

    Mariano MazzaMariano MazzaIl y a mois
  • "Lucas hit it out of the park 100% of the time, because well, he didn't" "Sure it's not perfect" "The film is certainly no masterpiece" You just love being wrong, don'cha? It's like a skill at this point.

    Alan Smith-EmersonAlan Smith-EmersonIl y a mois
  • If they had made Anakin more tragic, understandable and sympathetic, then Vader would've become a more terrifying villain. With sympathetic/understandable villains audience members think "God, if my life had been similar to his or her' s then I would've turned out just as bad. "

    Sara MikosSara MikosIl y a mois
  • When Vader is 1st told who Luke is & that the emperor sees him as a threat he says "he's just a boy" if u know vaders his father it's a sentiment of protection as is the next words out of his mouth "perhaps he can be turned" he never fights his son to his full strength because his strongest motivations both in downfall & redemption was to protect those he cared for

    catatafish bcatatafish bIl y a mois
  • the problem is there is no tragedy, because you can never sympathize with Anakin. There is no moment in the prequels where you root for him and scream: "No, don't do it!" Becaue we never see him as a "realtable" hero, he's just an annoying always complaining dude.

    Tomu KurûzuTomu KurûzuIl y a mois
  • ...advanced darkness

    James RichieJames RichieIl y a mois
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    Rebecca BlackRebecca BlackIl y a mois
  • I don’t understand why making a character have multiple things motivate them is a bad thing to do, just because it doesn’t fit the message of an OG tragedy doesn’t mean it is not a good tragic story. I disagree, but I enjoyed the video.

    Hayden WaltonHayden WaltonIl y a mois
    • I definitely agree with this. I think you have to go more into why having multiple things is a problem more in depth. Like for example getting the motivations muddled, which I don’t think Revenge of the Sith does.

      Tom FfrenchTom FfrenchIl y a mois
  • You've allowed this WISECRACK to twist your mind until now, you've become the very thing you swore to destroy

    ChronoJediChronoJediIl y a mois
  • for a Old man Palpatine is shockingly acrobatic

    ChronoJediChronoJediIl y a mois
    • God dam high dex builds

      An 8 strength koboldAn 8 strength koboldIl y a mois
  • I get what you’re saying, but it was still the second best out of all the Star Wars movies

    James DeiningerJames DeiningerIl y a mois
  • The prequels are f?cking abysmal. I’m sorry. Episode 3 was almost watchable, but it isn’t enough. The new ones aren’t even that bad. Sure, RoS was bad, TLJ was polarizing, and Solo was a little cash grabby, but I’ll take those any day over this sh!t

    Henzrey NuggetHenzrey NuggetIl y a mois
  • I always thought that it sounded weird to me, that Aniking isn't very smart, in a cult/religion that is about enlightenment. If he would be the CAUSE for all thoser rules and Yoda spouting: Fear leads to the dark side. I would have excepted it. Cause Vader would have led the path. But here? The Jedi Order is at the peak and almost perfect in the religion and teachings very simple. So, with Hayden, he gets to play the part, of a we-have-to-explain-Vader character. Almost like a missing link thats already deifned before we even meet him. So Anikin doesnt feel realateable, cause he has no agency and his path is already written. It's no wonder anyone makes fun of him.

    FrankydoodleFrankydoodleIl y a mois
  • Wait what?? I always thought Jared was blonde!!

    Leon M. RrLeon M. RrIl y a mois
  • Reading the title, must resist, must.. "have you head about the tragedy of darth plagueis?"

    Jonathan LudwigJonathan LudwigIl y a mois
  • "And while the film is certainly no masterpiece" Hahaha.. you should go into stand-up comedy cuz your jokes are really funny

    Ebiegberi AdonkieEbiegberi AdonkieIl y a 2 mois
  • We may not have had murder hornets but there were "Africanized" killer bees 🤣

    David RicheyDavid RicheyIl y a 2 mois
  • I think the real tragedy is how Lucas might have good stories to tell, but isn't good at telling them. :(

    Kori260Kori260Il y a 2 mois
    • It's am amazing story told poorly.

      An 8 strength koboldAn 8 strength koboldIl y a mois
    • Sometimes. Not hot on dialogue, pretty good on the visual story telling (just see the Padme/Anakin wordless scene before he rushes off to protect Palpatine)

      chris sonofpear1chris sonofpear1Il y a 2 mois
  • Long comment, brace yourselves... if Lucas went the Walter White route, it would've worked, for me at least. Sure, back then breaking bad hadn't even begun, but forget about that. What I mean is, Walter White changes tremendously throughout the show. In the beginning you can't help but root for him. In later seasons his ways become worse and worse and still you hope he can pull it all off. For me the moment I felt relieved was in season 5 when he realises he has got enough money for a few lifetimes and he finally quits. Of course, I knew the premise of the show, turning a protagonist into an antagonist, so I guessed Frank would catch him in the end. But I was not prepared for what happened afterwards. The turn to "the dark side" was so definitive I simply lost all simpathy for him and I can pinpoint one critical moment when I felt that: when he talks to Skyler and sais something along the lines "he crossed me and paid the price". At that point, even though he seems hurt when saying it, I knew Walter was dead and Heisenberg was 100% on. He had turned against the one, and last, constant moral value, his love for his family. But what helped this series was the constant fall of Walter. From episode one (or very early anyway) you see him lashing out on a guy. But at that point you only know he's a poorly paid teacher suffering from lung cancer. You root for him completely. And, as I said before, you root for him for most of the show, but increasingly less. Sure, ocasional huge moments occur, like when he lets Jane choke to death. But for the most part his descent is slow and gradual, but it's there from the start. Anakin falls flat there. Sure, his ill temper is presented earlier but the fall is not so gradual, and it definitely doesn't begin in the phantom menace. (Though to be fair, Walter's entire fall occurs in one or 2 years). And him choking Padme doesn't feel as earned as Walter turning on Frank. Walter was desperate to conceal his secret, and it had time to poison his brain. He went too far, but also the situation got out of hand. As I said, to me the turning point is not Frank's death, when Walter is clearly broken. It's later, when he claims the action as his own. And one more thing, the change from providing for his family, to being forced to continue, to getting too drunk on power to quit, to feeling too dehumanised to care anymore, is way more organic than Anakin's shift of reason. And all these steps fit perfectly what could've happened to Anakin. The only half of a redemption Walter gets is he kills the guys who killed Frank. But Anakin wouldn't get that redemption (not that Walter was redeemed, but perhaps just a little bit de-demonised). Because Anakin would be poisoned by an illusion of grandeur. He would join the emperor if he didn't realise it was him that set off the events that culminated in the death of Padme. It still feels rather nonsenical how: 1. Vader feels pain for killing Padme, something he was alone going to do. And 2. If he realised he was blinded by rage before, why does he join the Emperor afterwards? Doesnt Vader realise everything bad happened because of Palpatine? I know there are comics which show what happened immediately after the "nooooo", but I don't care. At that point those comics didn't exist, and even if they did, using another type of media to fill in the blanks is not fair. All I'm saying is, making Anakin a hodge-podge of bad decisions in one movie was not needed. What was needed was one big thing to protect - that is to say Padme - and in the end going against it, thinking she turned against him. Still it would beg the question whether or not he would at some point realise he was deceived. Again the prequels do a bad job at explaining why Vader suddenly believes in Palpatine's views. Why he supports these goals with so much devotion. Aside from the Stockholm syndrome that is. And my variation of the script doesn't help connect the trilogies either but I think at least it makes more sense for that movie alone.

    Vlad AvramVlad AvramIl y a 2 mois
  • 7:56 Anakin reacted to not being made a Jedi Master like a spoiled little asshole and he never asked Yoda to help save Padme's life. Yoda gave home advice abt an ambiguous issue and Anakin just dropped the subject.

    Michael BeasleyMichael BeasleyIl y a 2 mois
    • Yoda's advice was pretty bad though, and Jedi knowledge was something Anakin thought would aid his quest, earlier on (master knowledge even more so)

      chris sonofpear1chris sonofpear1Il y a 2 mois
  • I think this film turned Darth Vader into a whiney teenager. There seemed little that was tragic about him. In fact he was just ruined as a villain in the original saga. They actually did a much better job in the animated series of showing how someone could fall to the dark side.

    David GriffinDavid GriffinIl y a 2 mois
  • The shortest explanation: it got too Disneyfied....😌

    Xandrieth XsXandrieth XsIl y a 2 mois
  • It isn't a war crime, since in this galaxy far far away, no one ever signed the Geneva Convention!

    AzraelAzraelIl y a 2 mois
  • A Spoiler Warning for SW Episode 3? Dude, someone who hasn't watched this movie by now, lives in Papua New Guinea with the wild cannibals since like 30 years or so.

    AzraelAzraelIl y a 2 mois
  • I love Star Wars, even the prequels. But you put Episode III under a microscope and deem that it’s not akin to a Greek tragedy? No shit, wisecrack...

    yoyoyodaboyyoyoyodaboyIl y a 2 mois
  • Episode 1: Darth Maul: "Its over ObiWan, I have the high ground!" ObiWan: [leaps up and cuts Maul in half dumbfounded]

    jay folkjay folkIl y a 2 mois
  • "The early 00s were a simpler time." Me:Looks back at awkward pre-teen years. Me: *NOPE!* I know I'm having trouble dealing with my bullshit now and I don't even want to deal with *that* bullshit again.

    Ervin von ÜberhimmelErvin von ÜberhimmelIl y a 2 mois
  • To be the chosen one is hard, but to be the chosen one in Star Wars is a fate that anyone would be blindsided by.

    Carl BagleyCarl BagleyIl y a 2 mois
  • Your mouth is disgustingly wide

    Thumpty DumptyThumpty DumptyIl y a 2 mois
  • I love democracy

    halkeye20halkeye20Il y a 2 mois
  • Anakin makes sense to me, but I get that the movie doesn't communicate his mental state well. Also, part of the problem is that this isn't just Anakin's tragedy, it's the _Jedi's_ tragedy

    MakiPcrMakiPcrIl y a 2 mois
  • The issue with this analysis is that too often episode 3 is treated as a standalone movie and not the culmination of a trilogy. This makes the analysis flawed

    M SM SIl y a 2 mois
  • But the tragic flaw is that Anakin seeks power when he can't/shouldn't get it. His tragic flaw is his ambition. His power and fear go hand in hand towards his ambition. Edit: and his want to save Padme is definitely driven by his ambition. He's so ambitious in his pursuit of power, he wants to cheat death, not just for himself, but others. If he hadn't fallen to Palpatine's schemes, he wouldn't have killed Padme. He wouldn't have lusted for so much power so quickly.

    Garrett CarrollGarrett CarrollIl y a 2 mois
  • If Palpatine had (on camera) persuaded Anakin that the existence of the younglings would ensure the future of the Jedi order and forever denying his future safety with his wife, then it would have gone a long way to sell the act of killing them.

    wtfpwnz0redwtfpwnz0redIl y a 3 mois
  • If Palpatine had (on camera) persuaded Anakin that the existence of the younglings would ensure the future of the Jedi order and forever denying his future safety with his wife, then it would have gone a long way to sell the act of killing them.

    wtfpwnz0redwtfpwnz0redIl y a 3 mois
  • The video went through all the right arguments and then totally botched the conclusion. I think that making Vader sympathetic is exactly what you want. Vaders whole arc is theres good in him and its reachable. Seeing Vader do the wrong things for what he thought were the right reasons and then digging himself into a hole so deep he could no longer get out is exactly what I see when I watch SW. But then his son redeems him because he reminds him of who he was and that it's never too late to make good decisions. He died as anakin skywalker, not Vader. So how exactly do you object to making Vader unsympathetic? His arc is even more brilliant when you sympathize with him and then see him redeemed at the end. Big dislike for that awful conclusion.

    Michal PurzyckiMichal PurzyckiIl y a 3 mois
  • After the original trilogy, the prequel started weird, with PM about a young Anakin almost nobody likes (he's much like Rey: godlike driver, godlike robot technician, born without a father... Quite an unrelatable character, imho) and also JJBinks being even more unrelatable and irritating. Also the political plot is so convoluted and uninsteresting that one just wants to skip it completely. CW has more political stuff and the irritating kid is replaced by an irritating young man and all the love story is as corny as possible, making, again, Anakin not the likeable hero you would have needed to achieve the sense of tragedy. Finally, after wasting 2 movies trying to make us love the tragic hero and failing in the process, we have the only decent act of the prequel trilogy. But even this movie has corny moments, bad dialogues and mediocre acting (Hayden has been a bad choice). However, the last Disney trilogy was so bad we can now appreciate the good in this movie today!

    Marco PederzoliMarco PederzoliIl y a 3 mois
  • i liked the ep 1 and 2 analyses but this felt underresearched and overly critical, i disagreed with almost all the points on characters and what the movie was trying to accomplish.

    VictoriaVictoriaIl y a 3 mois
  • That's what i thought 4-5 years ago when I watched ROTS for the first time. Anakin Skywalker is portraited as a classic Greek Tragic figure!

    Georgios AthanasiouGeorgios AthanasiouIl y a 3 mois
  • I always thought that anakins flaw was his compassion as Jedi which comes from the fact he had connections from before he was a Palawan. This connects to his fear of loss as seen in episode 2. The Clone Wars shows this a lot too.

    William ReddickWilliam ReddickIl y a 3 mois
  • Are you really saying that George Lucas messed up the prequels because he wasn't booksmart enough? This is stupid. What you're calling for is a dumbing down of the conceptual storytelling. You want George to make Anakin a less complex character, and instead of his flaws stemming from a deeply rooted tragic flaw, the *ONLY* flaw he can show is the tragic flaw. The failings of the Prequel Trilogy stem from presentation, not metanarrative and ideology. It's like, you can have the greatest conceptual joke the world has ever seen, but if you fuck up the delivery, you'll be lucky to get a laugh.

    The Survivor's SanctuaryThe Survivor's SanctuaryIl y a 3 mois
    • @Mart3 DioDell4GUerra I'm a big picture person, so I prefer deep symbolism and ideas I can play with in movies; the prequels. However, I think Disney knocked the presentation of the sequels out of the park! Those movies are gorgeous and the line delivery is phenomenal, and I think that's why the sequels have such a fanbase. It's really easy to get engrossed in a movie that charms you with spectacle. Even if you forget half the plot by the end. If the prequels had the delivery of the sequels, or the sequels had the deep storytelling of the prequels, then we'd have the greatest movies ever created!

      The Survivor's SanctuaryThe Survivor's SanctuaryIl y a 3 mois
    • What do you prefer ? Prequels or sequels?

      Mart3 DioDell4GUerraMart3 DioDell4GUerraIl y a 3 mois
  • I like you people. Normally I hate people but I like all of you people I listen to all your content.

    Random thoughtsRandom thoughtsIl y a 3 mois
  • 16:06 you assume mace windu to be dead?!?!?! dislike

    OfTheRaptureOfTheRaptureIl y a 3 mois
  • Hmm, I see your point but I remember Anakin’s quest for power being attached to his desire to stop the people he love from dying and he wanted to be master to gain access to certain texts to try and stop padme’s death, so it kinda goes. Not perfect but I got it.

    Paradise2003Paradise2003Il y a 3 mois
  • Anakin did kill the younglings out of a fear of loss... he trusted in Palpatine that he needed to give himself completely to the dark side to be able to save Padmé

    Sam McBrideSam McBrideIl y a 3 mois
  • When he force choked Padme (someone I'd have thought he would have died for) he was directly undermining the one thing he wanted most: to save Padme. In talking about overthrowing Palpatine (who could help Anakin rediscover the secret of saving Padme's life), same problem. It seemed to be counter to his main focus: saving Padme. Even killing the younglings, which at least wasn't contrary to his goal, seemed not to further it and seemed to be a big leap from defending the "helpless" Chancellor from Mace Windu who wanted to be judge, jury and executioner. It didn't seem murdering the younglings flowed from his motivation (and I would at least wanted him to try to talk Palpatine out of it...in fact the younglings who were all snatched from their moms and dads as children to be raised by the weirdo Jedi space monks, could easily have been turned against the Jedi and would have made good future inquisitors). That swift turn to evil, from defending Palpatine's right to due process and life to "Imma kill these helpless children" didn't seem earned because it didn't flow from his ultimate goal.

    Buer, Great President of HeckBuer, Great President of HeckIl y a 3 mois
  • The initial flaw hinted in Episode 1 was that he was too old to be trained in the way of the Jedi. If you look at the sum total of his flaws it adds up to a general inability to show the moral restraint of a Jedi. His scattershot of flaws and motivations could be read as a lack of general maturity and understanding. He trusts the wrong people, breaks all the rules of his order and fails in the exact way that the Jedi predict failure to show: Becoming a sith. So I think what Lucas was going for was for Anikan's flaw to be all the flaws that the jedi warn against. I agree that it comes out a mess and that might have to do with morals of the Jedi being a mess as well.

    PiratejackyarPiratejackyarIl y a 3 mois
  • I've seen Anakin as a tragic hero ever since I watched the first trilogy. And I think it makes Darth Vader even better.

    Fernando MeccaFernando MeccaIl y a 3 mois
  • I would love to discuss the tragedy of Antigone with you guys.

    Miles Johnson O'DowdMiles Johnson O'DowdIl y a 3 mois
  • Consider it this way... Right before Anakin turns Mace Windu tells him that the emperor is to dangerous to be kept alive, which exactly what the emperor tells Anny about Duku. To Skywalker the Jedi have Shown themselves to be just as corrupt as the Sith, and only one side promises to save his wife.

    Miles Johnson O'DowdMiles Johnson O'DowdIl y a 3 mois
  • This video was great. I got specially interested in the discussion between fate and personal flaws: are our personal flaws (as well as our good points... our character traits in the end) the things that define our fate?

    José GarneloJosé GarneloIl y a 3 mois
  • I debunk the claims made in this video here: thejungiangungan.blogspot.com/2020/07/wisecracks-ham-fisted-attempt-to-take.html

    Subtext MiningSubtext MiningIl y a 3 mois
  • TL:DR Don't fuck with the high ground

    Enesi MajebiEnesi MajebiIl y a 3 mois
  • That microphone looks cartoonishly big, lol

    Roach DoggJRRoach DoggJRIl y a 3 mois
  • Lmao love how like...when people talk about anakin people shrug off his other traits but for the love of go dont mention him hating sand 😂😂😂😂 *anakin slaughters children, commits a racial warcrime* Everybody: 🤷🏿‍♀️ *anakin hates sand* Everybody: REEEE

    Scr3aming3agleScr3aming3agleIl y a 3 mois
  • It's ironic... You state Anakin's arc perfectly follows Booker's but the problem is his key dramatic flaw is inconsistent. When actually his key flaw is consistent, yes its fear of loss, but his arc doesnt cleanly from one stage to another follow Booker's. You must use the larger big picture of the entire PT for Anakin's arc, while seeing in doing so, Booker's stages overlap and interweave in this case. Using just RotS is like analyzing only the last 1/3 of Oedipus Rex because you deem the first 2/3 "mired by mediocrity". You're going to misconstrue a lot. You gotta get those views though, I suppose.

    woslo wwoslo wIl y a 3 mois
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