LEGION: Is It Deep or Dumb? - Wisecrack Edition

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The final season of FX's series, Legion, was undeniably weird. But was there a deeper meaning embedded in the bizarre musical numbers or the messy time travel snafus? Let's find out in this Wisecrack Edition on Legion: Is It Deep or Dumb?

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Written by: Thomas Ambrosini
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  • Legion is better felt than thought

    Lucas BitencourtLucas BitencourtIl y a 19 minutes
  • Absurd. This show brought me to somewhere else completely. Beautiful, cinematic, absolutely amazing storyline, characters, character outfits, set design, directing. I’m so sad for those who didn’t appreciate its uniqueness. Every “show” should be as unique and beautifully handcrafted, emotionally stirring and illuminating as this one ever was

    Olive WoolleyOlive WoolleyIl y a 18 jours
  • Why do I feel like James A Janisse was gonna do this video at the beginning? 💀🤔

    Chawana ChilengiChawana ChilengiIl y a mois
  • Wisecrack deep or dumb?

    Gabriel VillalobosGabriel VillalobosIl y a mois
  • I loved that show

    Naturally weirdNaturally weirdIl y a mois
  • I love your work guys and I respect your interpretations (especially when I disagree), and I start saying that because I dont want to be misunderstood, but I think that "Deep or Dumb" wasn't the right approach. Legion it's a bit of both, and that's kind of the point, as you well said, is in a very high percent an artistic proposal more than a (sci-fi/surreal) narration. So, maybe it should be better do a "Philosophy of" (or in this case, the psichology), so you can talk of the show for what it propose instead of what it makes good, bad or in a middle point. Legion discuss very good ideas (literally and metaphorically), and the style of those videos gives more freedom to play with the theories and bibliography.

    Camilo Lehnebach BravoCamilo Lehnebach BravoIl y a mois
  • This is an ok video but some of your conclusions are bent and encased in your own views of things. Take the season 3 "time" problematic, you talk about the grandfather paradox, and how the show doesn't abide to that theory, well, it's not the only time theory that exist; you are basing you conclusion on "Einstein's time" as it fits into his theory of relativity but as we know now, that theory has really seen it's limits; that's why time is different in string theory, or Holgraphic theory, etc... . That story arc or theory arc, is based on the fact that since you cary your "own time" with you, changing your past is not actually changing your own past, but rewritting a new path of time. Your own past is still the same as it's always been, but it has changed reality, in which you don't fit anymore... So I know that the "back to the futur" theory is the most well known one, but it's far from being the only one. (exemple in literature: "The Time Ships", by Baxter ) Talking about the philosophy behind "methaphores", it's really your own point view. You state the premise that if the the astral plane was a real place, it shouldn't be metaphorical. As if the two couldn't coexist, but i think you're looking at it backwards (in my opinion). Quantum entenglement, for instance, states that the potential of existence of anything can be brought to physical existence with the right amount of energy input, well, to me the astral plane follows that same rule. Simply put: what can be perceived by a person - as far as the potential actions or thoughts (imagination, dreams, memories) - can be translated into existence in that "astral plane" or, a better word, potential reality. It's just a place that transcends matter and physics. A sandbox of existence. The ensane, could be brought there not because they want to, but because it's the only place they can exist. same goes for what you call metaphores. In legion, bassically, they state that only the most powerfull mind can "see" the astral plane, which, to me, implies that they can come back from it without going crazy or get stuck there and become themselves a "metaphore", or an "idea".... It's actually quite difficult to explain on a youtube comment ( :o) ) What I mean to say, for short, is that both concepts are not mutualy exclusive, you just have to open up a little more to the possibilities of Quantum mechanics and Holographic principles. This serie is one of the best one out there, and challenges you views and knowledge about the world and it's possibilities. It tells you that you can't simply accept the universe and the way you think it works as the final truth, and that it's a lot more complex than what we can perceive. Plus the staging, costumes, lighting, acting, is excellent in this serie. The fact that the directors have fun with how they portray all of this doesn't make it dumb, that's just the sugar coating, it could have been a rap battle or a knitting contest, who cares... It's really deep and well thought... for television. Thumbs up for Legion!

    siluvatarsiluvatarIl y a mois
  • i had to skip after the first episode because i was unable to follow it. It´s way too hard to keep up with it. Gives me headaches just watching it.

    Gehtdir nixanGehtdir nixanIl y a mois
  • I think the time travel "paradox" you point out is possible to square: the events we saw happened, and changing the past closed a loop. Kind of like the collapse of the tangent universe in Donnie Darko. I still enjoyed it and think it's about half deep too, but a lot of writing choices confuse characters' motivations and take away from any meaningful thesis about personal growth and change. For example: -David (with future Syd) and Sydney (eg, with Farouk as Melanie) are really gullible and don't ask critical questions about why they should reverse their goals and betray their friends. The whole future Syd plotline is weird in retrospect, including how much info she withholds: --Unclear why future Syd would even think Farouk could help her if he died before David got fixated on time traveling. --Also unclear and hardly credible why David, after killing Farouk, without being betrayed by Syd and Div 3, would get so unhinged and obsessed with time traveling to undo his trauma that he risks destroying the world. (The characters' odd determinism, partly due to Farouk's manipulation which the characters never address, towards David becoming the villain makes the show seem to suggest that people usually can't make positive personal changes, even with empathetic support, especially if they're "CrAzY"). -Farouk goes from clearly evil and sadistic in seasons 1 and 2 (killing Amy and manipulating Syd and Div 3 to destroy David), to suddenly just wanting to peacefully coexist with Charles & David in season 3, without much explanation. -The show portrays as justified Melanie and Syd's reactions, to their men being kidnapped, of feeling deeply abandoned, angry, and bitter towards them. Until magical plot devices change their feelings. Not supportive of the idea that people can work to heal and improve themselves (other than by time travel or getting to live an extra life on the astral plane). -Lenny is a great vehicle for fun acting from Aubrey Plaza but most of what she does has no internal logic or character development, including killing herself. Logical issues with the time demons also undercut some of the impact the show could have: -Future Syd kidnaps David because he couldn't stop time demons, but he is also able to explode and scare them off pretty easily? -The time demons are well-trained guardians of the timestream, but also seem to love (jump)scaring humans and can accidentally destroy the world? Thanks!

    Malcolm KimMalcolm KimIl y a mois
  • I believe that legion is one of greatest pieces of media to ever come out of x-men.

    Golden_Grandpa _From_MarsGolden_Grandpa _From_MarsIl y a 2 mois
  • I don´t thing is confusing. Just because doesn´t treat the audience as childs or idiots. If you see all the episodes in order you will know what is going on. I enjoy very much the visual aesthetic and the non-linear narrative, for a change. We are extremely used to the dumb dialogs and resources that Hollywod apply to superhero movies because those are directed mostly to children and they mentally lazy parents. And of course the sense of humor is a little bit more adult.

    Raquel Ladron de GuevaraRaquel Ladron de GuevaraIl y a 2 mois
  • Hey wisecrack, is Netflix Dark deep or dumb? Even if you dont make a whole video bout it, a simple reply would be much appreciated.

    Tarequr RahmanTarequr RahmanIl y a 2 mois
  • Watching season 1 with the wife rn. My answer is it's dumb and I wish I had the remote. If she doesn't put another show I'm asking for a divorce.

    I like PotatoesI like PotatoesIl y a 2 mois
  • U dumb

    Akayo KalumbaAkayo KalumbaIl y a 3 mois
  • I'm glad I watched this, because it gave the final season much more meaning than I drew from it myself. I say deep!

    Ben DavisBen DavisIl y a 3 mois
  • The whole thing was a bit ruined for me by the misogyny, glaring plot holes and half-baked concepts.

    Gustaf LiljenströmGustaf LiljenströmIl y a 3 mois
    • But good show overall.

      Gustaf LiljenströmGustaf LiljenströmIl y a 3 mois
  • It took several times coming back to watch the first episode before I was able to get into Legion, but holy shit am I glad I kept watching.

    Stubbed ThumbStubbed ThumbIl y a 4 mois
  • Honestly, legion led me through a rough patch of my life, when the idea of change for me was full of doubt. David's last monolouge, even though simplistic, gave me somehow the power the continue living - the person u once was is a suggestion, that uselly reflects the truth, but ur future self is an almost independent entity that reflects only on itself. But more than that, the show does it with uncomparble elegance and beauty. I don't see it as metaphorical or a deep show, as it is mostly just an experiance filled to the top with emotion. An emotional ride.

    Yahel123KYahel123KIl y a 4 mois
  • it just the story of one guy dealing with his OWN personality (personal way to be)and how others has affected that personality, showing this therapy of solving internal problems made it a three season series. Finding his inner being as a baby

    Felipe YateFelipe YateIl y a 5 mois
  • The comment section is better than the video.

    The Church of David HallerThe Church of David HallerIl y a 5 mois
  • First deep or dumb i have vehemently disagreed with.

    The Church of David HallerThe Church of David HallerIl y a 5 mois
  • Legion is both the chicken and the egg in this show. To make it more confusing or less he is his literal alpha and omega, but without thinking of himself as god. No the Shadow King alludes to this over and over, but we dismiss this because the show is about David. But who is a person than their own god? David shows this time and time again as he constantly reshapes his reality. Of course that is rethought of as his madness, schizophrenia, which constantly re-imagines the world around him and calls everything into question. I've heard it said before that in the beginning there was god and then he went mad and imagined all of reality. Legion is this almost literally put into a story..... A man with ultimate power... a man never sure what is or isn't happening... A man constantly searching for a connection with the one person he can never touch... Legion is as deep as your willing to dive but as shallow as you feel safe with. And that is likely the truth of the show when all is said and done.

    Steven CranmoreSteven CranmoreIl y a 5 mois
  • There's so much more that could have been talked about in lieu of the time travel. Mental illness, toxic masculinity, Stockholm Syndro me, even more.

    Ryan CarrollRyan CarrollIl y a 5 mois
  • Deep until the very last episode. That time-loop fading away bullshit was the only blemish on this brilliant show.

    SeizeTheMeansSeizeTheMeansIl y a 5 mois
  • this show its meant to be watched more than once to get it

    PMPMIl y a 5 mois
  • I am convinced White-guy-in-baseball-hat does not watch anything he is given a script to act smart-talk over. Like, does anyone remember Future Syd from season 2? David literally uses astral-projection time-travel, and Future Syd uses a time-travel orb.

    Lance NicholsLance NicholsIl y a 5 mois
  • I love the channel, I love this show but 5/10?? 1st I did NOT care for Sydneys story arc. She actually is the reason David turned. But this show ties in SO MUCH . Deserves a higher score

    AnUrbanNerdAnUrbanNerdIl y a 6 mois
    • @The Church of David Haller David definitely is psycho! But I can't agree with you Sydney betrayed David causing him to turn

      AnUrbanNerdAnUrbanNerdIl y a 5 mois
    • Cid is the hero, imo. David is an invincible psychopath and she was his kryptonite.

      The Church of David HallerThe Church of David HallerIl y a 5 mois
  • If you want to understand Legion, take some lsd

    LeviathanLeviathanIl y a 6 mois
  • I believe the show is a depiction of what the world looks like from David's point of view. However, David has unlimited power and therefore can alter reality, so what would the world look like to someone who can change anything they want? Legion. Also I think that this is all set before his time in the comics and that is why this world is separate from them.

    David McNeeleyDavid McNeeleyIl y a 6 mois
  • I could not get past the first episode .. it was too much.

    Diem WintersDiem WintersIl y a 6 mois
  • David is fighting the demon( mental issues) he inherit from his father, unable to let it go and grow he's destine to self destruct. Basically a story o growing up, mental health

    Mat JMat JIl y a 6 mois
  • There was a lot of stuff about the importance of good parenting that you seemed to have missed when looking for meaning in the show. Especially in season 3 and very directly in the episode with Syd's second life.

    SKSithSKSithIl y a 6 mois
  • You guys have to look at Noah Hawley's work less as commentary and more as a thought exercise. There is no one conclusive philosophy because the goal of Legion is to open our minds a little to different ideas. It talks a little about a lot of topics: self perception, gender, religion(the relationship between a god and mortals), trauma and love. It also finds new ways of using old thought experiments like the allegory of the cave to convey contemporary ideas. Metaphor is used as a tool and not a philosophy of the show. It's definitely a show that you need to watch multiple times to get it. It's got many many layers.

    Odile MwaroOdile MwaroIl y a 6 mois
    • You get it. I'm working on absorbing the ideas of reality being somewhat of a decision and how things spread mentally and socially. What is one of your more recent insights?

      The Church of David HallerThe Church of David HallerIl y a 5 mois
  • Maybe time works like this ... You can go to the past and change it .... But you can truly never come back to the future .... Ie traveling in time is just like travelling through space .... But through another dimension that you cannot possibly go the other way ..... So if you go to the past and kill your grand father ... You as the mass of particles that make up you travel to the past ... Kills said grandfather .... The time that follows is not the time in which you were born ... It's the time in which you appear out of nowhere from another possible future....

    parthasarathy Venkatadriparthasarathy VenkatadriIl y a 6 mois
  • It never occurred to me to assess how "smart" Legion is. Unlike almost every other adaptation of the X-Men universe, it did not insult my intelligence. I have to give it that. It is an art house take on the X-men and it succeeds in that way.

    NoizyInSeattleNoizyInSeattleIl y a 6 mois
  • The story is about Trauma. And I suspect based on all evidence of camera work, character designs & dimensions, as well as the pacing of the story; its all takes place in his mind. All the characters are the personalities making up LEGION. The "duplicates" are just simpler constructs provided as red herrings. I consider it the modern "Buffy, the Vampire slayer". Show design, abstract scenes and cast dynamics. 5 out of 10? I personally disagree, its at least a 7.5. The intelligence that went into the artistic expressions and setting alone? Yeah I think you guys sold this series a bit short.

    P.D. SP.D. SIl y a 6 mois
  • Can you pls do a deep or dumb for the cell.

    Rebeca StoesserRebeca StoesserIl y a 7 mois
  • David is a broken person and in order to change you have to eradicate or break what once was. So David and Farouk both had to let go of what happened in the past in order to forge a new path they aren’t sure if their destined to repeat their history they just have to accept what happens when it happens or play the parts their written and hope that we react differently in the past because we only know ourselves or we can only control ourselves. Throughout the entire show The setting has been chaotic and undefinable but the only somewhat concrete thing was the characters so you can only hope that these characters don’t succumb to their chaotic undefinable reality. Just like how David always hoped that he wasn’t the monster everyone kept telling him he is but eventually became that monster (which came first is debatable) and succumbed or was broken by the reality that was imposed on him now that he realizes that he has to gather himself into something new without holding on to his past.

    ¿AARON?¿AARON?Il y a 7 mois
  • You should do Silicon Valley 'deep or dumb'.....

    Dorine OgutuDorine OgutuIl y a 7 mois
  • Legion is a great show and a story with depth.

    Mario MijatovicMario MijatovicIl y a 7 mois
  • BEFORE watching this video i will say this: I loved LEGION seasons 1 and 2 BUT MAN season 3 kinda makes the series fall appart. with only the first episode, the episode showing how charles xavier met his wife, and the last scene of the series being my favorite parts. also, most of past shadow king's scenes just because he is a villain i love to hate

    Ian R. Nava HuberIan R. Nava HuberIl y a 7 mois
  • i clicked cuz germaine, where the fuck is he?

    Jason CernJason CernIl y a 7 mois
  • Its a good show when no one can land on a single concept So i say its the dumbest deep series ever

    Mahbobe MortazaviMahbobe MortazaviIl y a 7 mois
  • Holly shit the guy from Legion is also in Garth Marangis Dark Place. That's amazing!

    Brett LucasBrett LucasIl y a 8 mois
  • This 5/10 score was a plot twist for me, it makes no sense. I think the most important thing of the story is to show what happens when someone with a mind that can bend the rules of what is real or not, but also have to cope with mental illness caused by the trauma of having an entity just as powerful living inside his own mind, starts to gain control of his own self. The flaws that David shows in his moral character are justified by his own madness, and he becomes more powerful than ever exactly when he learns to embrace this madness (Legion) and use it combined with his powers to travel back in time to kill the thing that broke him (beyond repair, as Sydney said), he decided to destroy everything in order to fix his own self and reset his own reality. Seriously, does that sound like a 5/10 for smarts?

    Victor LuizVictor LuizIl y a 8 mois
  • 12:24 dont mind me just marking where i left off

    zuly zulaikhazuly zulaikhaIl y a 8 mois
  • I could see a show much like this where you could arriving at similar thoughts like in this video (albeit more 'environmentally themed') , had the '88~'95 series run of 'Animal man (volume 1)' been adapted.

    AepistemicAepistemicIl y a 8 mois
  • fuck i thought i was the only one who loved it

    Preethem VidurPreethem VidurIl y a 8 mois
  • Please do a Nacho Libre Deep or dumb 😂

    RCL ProductionsRCL ProductionsIl y a 8 mois
  • Will we get Legion season 4

    raj khushbooraj khushbooIl y a 8 mois
    • No.

      The Church of David HallerThe Church of David HallerIl y a 5 mois
  • Really odd way to approach it, but I guess you tied yourselves to the "Deep or Dumb" false dichotomy so have to run with it. Because it used elements like parapsychism as plot-devices but didn't explore the meanings of them is missing the point. It was about the personal struggles of identity and mental health, not quantum physics and so on. I mean, I believe you 'get it', but missed the point that trying to see cosmic significance in art about the hyper-personal is silly.

    Scott McDanielScott McDanielIl y a 8 mois
    • You think so? Dan Harmon said when you zoom oot far enough nothing matters but when you zoom in an individual life is a universe exploding with meaning

      The Church of David HallerThe Church of David HallerIl y a 5 mois
  • Our thinking of time is limited by our perception of the limits of time travel.

    Alexa CaiAlexa CaiIl y a 8 mois
  • ngl, I thought the message was pretty dang clear. People are broken, but they dont have to be. Be kind to others, and give each other grace.

    glorious leaderglorious leaderIl y a 9 mois
  • we want the good the bad and the ugly

    אדם ביינהאדם ביינהIl y a 9 mois
  • 6:10!😂😂

    Connor -J- EvansConnor -J- EvansIl y a 9 mois
  • everyone seens to forget that Farouk tortured and killed David's sister and later manipulated sydney and the others to turn against david, (not saying that david didnt fuck up)

    Paulo CastroPaulo CastroIl y a 9 mois
  • I just assumed that everything David saw was real because he's a reality warper, thus giving his madness power.

    The Incredible HulkThe Incredible HulkIl y a 9 mois
  • Deep or dumb on The Lighthouse next!!!

    jacob suarezjacob suarezIl y a 9 mois
  • Deep or Dumb: Llamas with Hats

    Bulldog DBulldog DIl y a 9 mois
    • Neither. It's ah may zeen.

      The Church of David HallerThe Church of David HallerIl y a 5 mois
  • based on the comments it seems i'm alone in thinking the show isn't all that great. It started awesome but nonsensical time travel just ruins it. You can't justify everything with "oh it's a metaphor so it doesn't have to make sense". No. Some things have to make sense because the story falls apart otherwise. Time can be thought of many ways. Linear is one way, as the show suggests. That means the grandfather paradox is a real problem with this show and there's no getting around it. I also find the idea of time being a person ridiculous. Perhaps gravity is some fat dude just lazying about as well. When it comes to mental stuff metaphors are a great way to convey a message, a thought or an idea. But the show got too in love with artistic liberties and messed up the basic structures. It was ruined, at least for me.

    Human ManHuman ManIl y a 9 mois
    • Blah. David is a character who is so strong he can create reality for himself and others. Basically! It would all make perfect sense if baby David as a baby defended himself from Farouk's invasion by making Farouk experience what the future would be like if he inhabited his mind. Adult David and the rest are all a simulation. A manifestation of baby David's power. Even switch is another simulation. She is a real person. But David actually doesn't need switch to travel through time if the show was authentic about how powerful legion is. He just needs to find the correct way to travel in time. Like... He is definitely the strongest character in the entire marvel universe.

      mmmkmmmkIl y a 9 mois
  • So, what you've helped me decide is to not watch this show because it's ultimately all a jumble of ambiguous philosophical nonsense. I could get high with friends looking up at the stars and have the same exact experience.

    KouriRyuKouriRyuIl y a 9 mois
    • Don't listen to wisecrack. Look at the comments. I'm still learning a lot from Legion and still find it very interesting my 5th time through

      The Church of David HallerThe Church of David HallerIl y a 5 mois
  • I LOOOOOVVEEEE this show. Its one of my favorite shows that has ever aired. I've been requesting this from you guys for a while thanks for finally getting around to it. And yes it is absolutely deep but i do think their reference to the allegory of the cave was a touch contrived

    Ben HinmanBen HinmanIl y a 9 mois
  • I'll forgive Legion for it's dance numbers and nonsense, but not for the bullshit that went down in the last couple episodes of Season 2, where they circle jerked us around with random tangents for entire episodes and completely misunderstood the #MeToo movement by turning the strong female characters into man hating irrational monsters.

    The Fantastic PaulThe Fantastic PaulIl y a 9 mois
    • missing the point

      paulak roypaulak royIl y a 5 mois
  • Maybe "Annihilation: Deep or Dumb?"... ?

    burnsnewmanburnsnewmanIl y a 9 mois
  • I'm so torn about this show. It has given me some of the most enjoyable moments in T.V (especially in FX), but my distaste for the final season is on par with the final season of GOT. I think a GOT comparison is very poignant because both have lead characters turned into cartoonish evil versions of themselves way too quickly to artificially create tension in the story. Undoubtedly both David and Dany are "damaged" and could potentially become sadists to cope with their trauma, but in both instances the writers chose imo heavy handed acts for the leads do to solidify their "evilness". Dany committing genocide and David "raping" Syd. Both acts are way too flamboyant and kills any chance at nuance and character development. Better call Saul, even more so than BB, is brilliant because entire seasons are built around *SLOWLY* changing a likeable character such as Jimmy into a terrible one like Saul. You're never sure which episode is definitive moment they became evil. Even with a scene like Walt letting Jane suffocate, you could argue he was already evil prior to that. Both BCS and BB are well trained cooks who know how to slow cook a lobster or frog from room tempature water. Imo, both the rape and genocide were the narrative equivalent of the writers throwing us into a scolding hot jacuzzi and expecting us to enjoy it.

    AshantiSeppukuAshantiSeppukuIl y a 9 mois
    • @paulak roy which point? Thats pretty vague.

      AshantiSeppukuAshantiSeppukuIl y a 5 mois
    • i think you missed the point

      paulak roypaulak royIl y a 5 mois
  • do you really wanna send some randos your data about what STDs you got? and samples of your DNA as well? I mean dang.... what are chinese and russians gonna do with my Medical data? But srsly?

    C-value EnigmaC-value EnigmaIl y a 9 mois
  • Spent a few hours watching the show. Not sure after 2 episodes why it has fans.

    Galactic WarlockGalactic WarlockIl y a 9 mois
  • Legion was very enjoyable. I've watched it all the way through several times and wish more shows like it existed. Wisecrack was correct in their last statement, "Maybe [they're] just not getting it"

    MrSlatraMrSlatraIl y a 9 mois
  • 12:55 now i have to watch this show, love that guy

    TomYawnsTomYawnsIl y a 9 mois
  • Personally, I see Legion like a painting written in madness. Its a journey we take, and like any good piece of art it can and will speak to the watcher differently on a case by case basis. I see it as the story of person who embraces the power fantasy only to lose himself in it. the final season was him seeking the only redemption he could conceive of, oblivion and a fresh start. I found it a good series that is worth watching, worth considering, and it ended well and did not feel the need to "resolve all the questions." In the end it ate its own tale, and that's fine with me and a good representation of what these tv runs can be: A stand alone thought that concludes itself.

    Daniel WeberDaniel WeberIl y a 9 mois
  • Jemaine: Get an eye patch man

    FixingTheInternetFixingTheInternetIl y a 9 mois
  • Im rewatching it for the third time.

    Mysara BraikatMysara BraikatIl y a 9 mois
    • How'd you like it the third time

      The Church of David HallerThe Church of David HallerIl y a 5 mois
  • Sticking your 2 fingers up means "fuck off" from where i'm from. it's 2 fingers backwards for peace.

    GeordieGamesGeordieGamesIl y a 9 mois
  • Wisecrack needs to do a " is wisecrack deep or dumb " episode js

    jazz hallowzjazz hallowzIl y a 9 mois
  • please do a Deep or Dumb? on Predestination!

    Ethan WinogradEthan WinogradIl y a 9 mois
  • legion = ego, amahl farouk = inner critic, astral plain = subconscious/self-awareness, time travel = healing trauma, daemons in hall of time = triggers, rap battle = combating harmful self talk... what other metaphors you wanna know?

    Amr JoAmr JoIl y a 9 mois
  • Can you pleaaaase make a video about the reality show The Circle

    goreletariat 001goreletariat 001Il y a 9 mois
  • This is why we can't have nice things. I think it's very reductive giving a dualistic analysis (deep or dumb) to a television that's achieves it's artistic vision. I was very disappointed with this one, it kinda just made me think that someone really wants use there philosophy education and doesn't understand that it's really patronising. I don't care about your video essay on a dead German philosopher and how it applies to a comic book television adaptation. I wouldn't say that if it was making me think about in a new light or in a different way. It just came of like, "I don't like it and let's bash it but make me look clever and it dumb" Well we seen what you did and we're not going to give you an arbitrary score and how you did. Dismissing the moment when David has turned on in season 2 and the villain is now working for the "good guy's" as "dumb is very not a good analysis of the story and characters in that moment. To give some context to this, I've had very strong emotional resonance in this sence, why? Because of the overall narrative of David's mental health issues, as someone who has battled with that myself, it hit home to me that just because you "think" you're a moral individual doesn't mean your "actions" are interpreted this way. Plus the analogy of civil rights of minority groups is represented here greatly. Just because you it didn't hit your "checkbox" requirement of "deep" doesn't mean that audience has multiple ideas and opinions on the story. Looking for holes in esoteric narrative structure like the "astral plane" is saying you don't exist because your dreams are not consistently the same. So how I'm I going to make a more constructive criticism? How to bring the dream of coexisting someone you don't agree with on the internet? Well, he's my feedback as audience member. I am more interested in the philosophies of characters rather than continuously referencing something that completely misses the mark, not one Malcolm X vs Mr. Martin Luther king reference in an X-Men analysis disappointing and a lot more relevant. Two, you going to have not hold on to much to the format of deep or dumb. You're bringing to sound like a over excited students rather than a professional communicator, don't come off like you throw another artist under the bus. Levity and humour is must otherwise you sound mean and intellectually snooty.

    acerimmer2000acerimmer2000Il y a 9 mois
  • Sounds like the visually dazzling confusing nonsense of "Matrix Revolutions" This is not a script writing style that I am interested in watching.

    Janice ColumbusJanice ColumbusIl y a 9 mois
  • people who practise Law of attraction will understand this show a lot.

    Travis TouchdownTravis TouchdownIl y a 9 mois
  • Everything isn't a metaphor lol. Legion is pretty much Indian Philosophy 101 with over the top VFX. The psychedelia is inspired by what the hippies looked into. Not a single mention of the East makes it clear you didn't get it.

    Prateek KeniPrateek KeniIl y a 9 mois
  • If I could give this video both a thumbs up and down I would. Up for the references and extrapolation, down for the mimicry of the rating.

    StefanStefanIl y a 9 mois
  • I really loved this show. It was awesome I will really miss it

    dodgers doon1130dodgers doon1130Il y a 9 mois
  • Dance offs...I'm watching it now👍

    DaREAL1 Buttercookie CinnaminiDaREAL1 Buttercookie CinnaminiIl y a 9 mois
  • Like a well-hung teenager...why not both? Lol I haven't seen 3rd season yet but I love Legion and I think part of the appeal is the ambiguity and letting the viewer decide for themselves.

    Corey HondzinskiCorey HondzinskiIl y a 9 mois
  • 5 out of 10 for smarts? Yeah, you're not getting it

    Adventurous AnomalyAdventurous AnomalyIl y a 9 mois
  • Its about mental illness the logic forming to what you believe rather that what you believe forming to the logic. The logic holes are only there because they need to be engorged. Im stronger than everything because i say so. Nothing real can hurt me so nothing that hurts me is real. paraphrasing but the most important line for me is "The most dangerous thing about being unwell is believing your not". Also the eyes in the background is an important part.

    DeverosfearDeverosfearIl y a 9 mois
  • Oh.

    Ethereal DwellerEthereal DwellerIl y a 9 mois
  • 21:12 Kerry/Carrey is literally ignored by Time/Switches validation...

    Ca AdCa AdIl y a 9 mois
  • Is the lead character portrayed by dan stevens?? Sorry I stopped watching at around 3 mins bc I might give this show a try so I didn't want spoilers

    MoiraMoiraIl y a 9 mois
    • Yes. The show is so good

      paulak roypaulak royIl y a 9 mois
  • Yes tell me what to think I don't know and am too lazy to think about it my self... No joke I love wisecrack tho

    - Zachary -- Zachary -Il y a 9 mois
  • Seems like Marvel wants to tear down the wall between superheroes and psychopaths- while also providing shock appeal for the less ignorant comic book fans...

    LionLionIl y a 9 mois
  • Yoooooooo that girl that is the embodiment of time, I swear to God or Time itself this is true: I've had this theory that in the future when we evolve into some higher complexity of beings than we are now, it will need to be brought about with the integration of a metronome into our being, moving to the beats. When you move or drum to the clicking of a metronome long, you get ABSOLUTELY present, and I don't use the word "absolute" lightly. All your mental bullshit and baggage fades away when you get 100% present, and the longer you hold that 100% presence, you wouldn't believe that shit that you experience or where you even are in a universal sense. Anyways, the metronome app that I use has a dial on it, and I've hypothesized that in the future, we would have a metronome type device that we could change the rate of, and depending on the rate that we change it to is the dimensional zone we could travel to. And here's the fucking trippy part, that girl that is the embodiment of Time has a device on her belt that looks EXACTLY what I imagined it to look like. Fuck man, it's probably literally going to happen. That shit is crazy synchronistic confirmation if I've ever seen it (and I definitely have).

    MetroGnomeMetroGnomeIl y a 9 mois
  • The Marvel Universe deals in alternate realities a lot, and Dr. Strange is supposedly going to be dealing with that as well. So while David no longer exists as his adult self in the new universe he's created. he went back to his own timeline where well, business as usual.

    LadyLunarPhoenixLadyLunarPhoenixIl y a 9 mois
  • I loved Legion and I have only one thing to say: the ending of season 2, the entire episode, was a masterpiece. I've never seen a season ending that left me that hyped. I loved all 3 seasons and I'm glad it ended like it did, wile it was still good. I fully recommend to watch it.

    Gercho-San AndradeGercho-San AndradeIl y a 9 mois
  • Love that quote about the core of drama

    Jazzmir SerranoJazzmir SerranoIl y a 9 mois
  • What happened to his beard during the ad?!

    Michael SmithMichael SmithIl y a 9 mois
  • Maybe Legion it's neither deep or dumb, but it's original and that's more than you can say about some shows these days...

    PD ZombiePD ZombieIl y a 9 mois
  • Would you sacrifice your current self to right the wrongs and save your early self?

    BoringCanadianBoringCanadianIl y a 9 mois

    Pascual MataPascual MataIl y a 9 mois