Is Hamilton Bad?

14 sept. 2020
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Is Lin-Manuel Miranda's musical "Hamilton"... bad?
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Hamilton has been heralded both for its artistic merit AND for bringing the Founding Fathers so vividly to life. But what if historical fiction like Hamilton is secretly making us... dumb? Let's find out in this Wisecrack Edition: Is Hamilton Bad?
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Commentaires
  • Did we miss any of your favorite works of historical fiction?

    WisecrackWisecrackIl y a mois
    • Hamilton and Vice would be a good choice, since this video clearly missed the mark. They were never meant to be seen as historically accurate. Both are very clearly an homage to Shakespearean plays. Both include references and and both writers are clearly familiar with the material. Further Shakespeare used past historical events (with a wide use of exaggeration) to comment on present issues without offending the nobility who could have thrown him into the Tower. The same can be said of Hamilton in which allowed for modern commentary on controversial issues without being too heavy handed in a way that came off as partisan.

      Will MannWill MannIl y a 25 jours
    • @Carolina De La Ossa I haven't seen Amadeus yet but want to, does it at least keep Mozart's scatological humour?? That's the most fun fact about him that would go so well in a movie lol

      Anna Aira HálaAnna Aira HálaIl y a mois
    • OMG yes, AMADEUS. My parents now swear by god that everything on that movie is true. However, in the line of Mozart and historical fiction, Nancy Moser's "Mozart's Sister: A novel", is a true gem.

      Carolina De La OssaCarolina De La OssaIl y a mois
    • Trevor Nimoy That and Django are just absolutely based in terms of historical fiction -

      SquimSquimIl y a mois
    • I havent finished yet, but I'm praying you bring up inglorious bastards

      Trevor NimoyTrevor NimoyIl y a mois
  • I feel like my intelligence was insulted. You think we just watch a movie or a show and assume it as fact?

    MoonDolphMoonDolphIl y a 17 heures
  • maybe *feeling* like you know less after it is probably a good thing since itd encourage them to check the info on their own.

    JayJayIl y a 2 jours
  • Maybe this was somehow brought up throughout the video but there being an 'uncanny valley of history' kind of reminds me of 'folk history' or folktales describing say events in a community, the reasons for certains persons or groups being judged in a certain way etc but 'the production' doesn't happen in a collective 'ethos fueled' way over a vague period of time but intentional as a 'media production or artistic endevour' (the play 'Hamilton' or the movie 'Vice' etc). The lack of consideration for proper histiography is a factor for 'folk history' and 'historical narratives that got glitz and glamor media takes'...^_^ and then there's the shows like 'drunk history' or 'historical roast' where 'the production' might come off as an approach of 'folk history' but it's a purposely produced comedy show.

    Vintage TerminalVintage TerminalIl y a 3 jours
  • Stop using I, Claudius as an example of historical fiction going too far. Robert Graves has gone on record as explaining that he wrote the narrative to tell a compelling story, not to write history. Not to mention the fact that even without this knowledge there’s the fact that Claudius himself is narrating the story and thus would be biased when explaining the details of events.

    Justin KellyJustin KellyIl y a 3 jours
  • Shakespeare’s Macbeth wasn’t historically accurate either; that doesn’t make it bad.

    Paul ChapmanPaul ChapmanIl y a 4 jours
  • It was unwatchable

    Viking SummerViking SummerIl y a 4 jours
  • I guess I'm weird, because Hamilton triggered my interest in the true history. To the point where I re-read the US founding documents, I read Common Sense and The Federalist Papers, and I'm currently enrolled in an early American History course at my university.

    ATKstatATKstatIl y a 5 jours
  • Hamilton itself doesn't claim to be historically accurate, it's so important to acknowledge that a piece of historical fiction is fiction

    Arezoo IzadiArezoo IzadiIl y a 5 jours
  • ive never understood the hype of hamilton. the music was really overrated to me. i dont get whats considered good about it.

    Beverly MarshBeverly MarshIl y a 5 jours
  • 'Founder chic' when the person doing it isn't even American ? frworld.info/net/vid-o/xn5pgJ2FtJm2xKI "^_^

    AepistemicAepistemicIl y a 6 jours
  • The video isn’t bad but I think the title is poorly worded. “Is Hamilton irresponsible” would be more accurate given the argument Edit: I said the exact opposite of what I was trying to say. Fixed

    BasicDanBasicDanIl y a 6 jours
  • I thought the play was just marketing for the book, which was excellent.

    JasonJasonIl y a 6 jours
  • This play is one of the cringeworthiest things I've ever seen and it seems to be tailored for people who think MC Hammer is still cool. It's lame rap and executed on the cringiest level. My honest opinion.

    rcm2012rcm2012Il y a 8 jours
  • Before watching: Yes, yes it is. And no, not because historical inaccuracies or seemingly under-rehearsed choreography but because of lazy songwriting and storytelling, two of the most important things people look for in a Broadway musical. I was really stoked when I had a ticket to see it live but couldn't get there on time due to a flight delay-everyone was singing high praises about it and I really thought I missed something grand... then I got to watch it when they released it on video and I really can't understand the hype. It's a mediocre musical at best, and even that is a generous assessment. Wanna see a well made musical? Go watch The Book of Mormon, it still is an amazing experience even after all the cast changes!

    zwerkozwerkoIl y a 11 jours
  • Very well thought out and put together - great points.

    bokah worjolohbokah worjolohIl y a 12 jours
  • after the latest presidential debates i'm triggered be the words here's the deal!!!

    Alexandra LevchenkoAlexandra LevchenkoIl y a 12 jours
  • Hamilton was awesome

    Nigel WestNigel WestIl y a 18 jours
  • Hey just wanted to let you know the timing on the subtitles is a little bit off ! ;;

    Butter ScotchnutButter ScotchnutIl y a 18 jours
  • I am a bit surprised because the video didn't really mention what these inaccuracies are. I understand and I appreciate the intent to discuss "should it be accurate and how important the accuracy is" but then once you answer that you should really address what is supposed to be the point of the video, don't you think?

    Giulia C.Giulia C.Il y a 19 jours
  • It’s actually quite good so far as being a play goes - and it’s not intended to be completely historically accurate as it’s a work of fiction!

    Frank CastleFrank CastleIl y a 19 jours
  • I think that when it comes to historic fiction, people should focus more on historical authenticity instead if historical accuracy. When dealing with dramatic works, dramatic license will be taken and make it impossible to be accurate.

    Matthew NewmanMatthew NewmanIl y a 19 jours
  • Too bad a ton of people think these are 100% fact. Happens when tens of millions of people see things. Even 1% fully believing everything is a lot. And then they spread that as fact to others.

    JeffJeffIl y a 19 jours
  • It’s bad artistically AND it’s got bad politics AND it’s historically inaccurate. It’s the worst of all possible worlds.

    Elliott EncarnaciónElliott EncarnaciónIl y a 19 jours
  • In University we were taught a very powerful phrase 'Historicity" of Fiction and 'Fictionality' of History.

    Aritro BhattacharyaAritro BhattacharyaIl y a 21 jour
  • no.

    Zac GoldmanZac GoldmanIl y a 21 jour
  • So basically your big take away is that Hamiton isn't 100% accurate, which is why you have no business critiquing any form of art. Stick to what you know. If the change in the characters' race wasn't a clue, Hamilton doesn't aim to be 100% accurate. It aims to tell a story and make a point. The things that need to be true are, with acclaimed historian Rob Chernow fact checking it. In fact Lin knew all the details that were wrong and chose them because they served a purpose. It's ok that you don't get it, it's not for everyone. But stop pretending that you do and have some huge insight when clearly you're missing the whole point.

    Cabal PaxiarchCabal PaxiarchIl y a 21 jour
  • "Hideous lies" is a little strong. It's called artistic license. You change some details to help lay out your narrative. It's not that big a deal. If he featured George Washington dressing like a nurse and having sex games with Lafayette, that would be a hideous lie.

    Cabal PaxiarchCabal PaxiarchIl y a 21 jour
  • I think lateral learning is an effective means to introducing people to topics they didn't even know they were interested in. Take the game Crusader Kings. You play a feudal lord or lady and try to build your dynasty and realm. Before i played it, i wasn't familiar with learning about medieval European history, but the more i played, the more it introduced topics laterally (such as rampant incest common in royal families) and the more i was prompted to research topics on my own and learn about history.

    Jose JimenezJose JimenezIl y a 22 jours
  • I think it has its place as long as it's understood to have creative license taken for the sake of pacing, accessibility, brevity, or whatever, and should be used more as a springboard for interest to encourage independant further research, rather than as an education in itself.

    Daniel GouldDaniel GouldIl y a 22 jours
  • Yes the musical is bad

    SilverobotSilverobotIl y a 22 jours
  • I love this but I have to say cause it’s bugging my actress brain(so sorry) Hamilton is a musical...not a play. Very different!

    Shauna WalduckShauna WalduckIl y a 23 jours
  • Did ya’ll really cite Wikipedia as a reference? 😂

    Ephraim DimandalEphraim DimandalIl y a 24 jours
  • This was a smart one.now all I need is some one explain Netflix OA to me.

    Rubeus ArchosRubeus ArchosIl y a 24 jours
  • Why didn't you cite your evidence for what you claim to be fake/real. now we just have to take your word for it or do hours of fact checking.

    Khachig88Khachig88Il y a 25 jours
  • I will admit to being disappointed when I learned that the whole thing with him and Anjelica was all fabricated as that subplot really struck a chord with me, but I knew that everything couldn't have been so peachy surrounding Hamilton when it came to slavery. But I will say that I definitely did some research after I saw it live because I had never heard about Burr showing much remorse for killing Hamilton, and found all the inaccuracies. I wasn't surprised, because with a life that juicy that story would have definitely been told by now. That being said, everything about it is soo GOOD as a story and a production... I can't get too mad about it.

    Tre916Tre916Il y a 25 jours
  • I just want to know if Hamilton really had a stray tomcat named after him lol

    EE LEE LIl y a 25 jours
  • I'm from New Zealand and would probably never have thought to look into the founding fathers of America especially a treasurer. I also didn't really like rap until I watched it either being more into metal. So for me personally, it was a great new experience!

    EE LEE LIl y a 25 jours
  • i think it’s just gonna confuse people on their AP history exam

    George JebGeorge JebIl y a 25 jours
  • A lot of the comments are of people expecting Hamilton stans to pitch a fit, but I'm not seeing any of that. The Hamilton stans can't be bothered to do that. They're too busy re-watching the film.

    TheEstrellastarTheEstrellastarIl y a 25 jours
  • Most of the audience won’t make research after watching the show or anything, most just will lazily accept it as accurate. A perfect comparison to this are posts on social media taken as news or verified information. The thing with entertainment and social media is that entertainment engages us in a emotional way with an experience and social media feeds on the fact that most people would rather listen to celebrities than actual professionals. So the brain more easily remembers things related to emotions or our social needs, you remember perfectly your grandparents’ house, most remember the latest scandal related to someone they’re interested in, but very few remember clearly everything they read in textbooks (we summarise the essential). Point is, tragically, entrainment due to its emotional connotation will be more memorable and significant to people than books with actual information. It’s not a fair fight and I think has more cons than pros. 300 fans won’t read anything about the Greco-Persian Wars and get informed. I haven’t read about them either, BUT I recognise after watching the movie that I didn’t learn anything at all rather than deceiving myself.

    David André Melchor ZavalaDavid André Melchor ZavalaIl y a 25 jours
  • Personally, I'm okay with the small liberties taken like the exact backstory of Angela or Hamilton and Burr meeting a few extra times throughout their life... it helps with the emotional/character building side of the story by enhancing something that was already there. Same thing with Jefferson's timeline of being away the whole war... if anything it helps spread shade on a founding father who definitely deserves more of it than he usually gets. Glossing over Hamilton's involvement in slavery was a bit much, to be sure though. But for me, the single biggest gripe I had was glossing over Adams firing Hamilton. They don't even go into any specific details in the actual play, or even in the cut song (which was fire I have to admit), but... I mean... Hamilton fucking manipulated an aging Washington into giving him full power of the country's army, turning our first president into a puppet. He probably would've staged a coup on Adams. Adams had to sacrifice his own good standing with his party and thus his chance of reelection by stopping the little upstart when he had the chance. The musical does a good job of showing him as an adulterer and as a possibly autistic asshole, but his actions in the Adams administration were probably the worst things he did as a politician. ....of course, I might be biased, because 1776 and the John Adams HBO miniseries made me an Adams fanboy before Hamilton came out, but isn't that the point of this video essay lol? Unless you're a dedicated historian, our perceptions of history are almost entirely rooted in historical fictions.

    youtuberaptoryoutuberaptorIl y a 25 jours
  • Always remember that you're watching a movie.

    James EstradaJames EstradaIl y a 26 jours
  • It's a great way to promote a narrative at the expense of truth.

    Yuri YanuYuri YanuIl y a 27 jours
  • but Assassin's Creed Unity is a terrible example, though. there were multiple enormous mistakes in the depition of 1789 paris, wrong flags, wrong street signs, wrong real people and events descriptions, etc. It's ont of the worst historically accurate Assassin's Creed compared to those who came before it

    Gandalf DumbledorGandalf DumbledorIl y a 28 jours
  • Why does historical fiction in movies, such as Amadeus get so much shit about not being historically accurate when historical fiction in literary (such as Hilary Mantel's Wolf Hall) are more free from being accurate in telling their story?

    f. grcaf. grcaIl y a 28 jours
  • Hamilton is great, but anyone watching that play for historical accuracy is about as dumb as anyone basing the Battle of Thermopylae on Zack Snyder's 300.

    J KoolioJ KoolioIl y a 28 jours
  • Hey! How about an example from Rossellini's historical film where Pascal and Descartes have a philosophical dialogue. Even though this clearly never took place in real life; I think, it is important in order to show the differences between both of these great thinkers. Plus, even if it technically didn't happen, it was still made up pretty nicely.

    Lorenz HaushochLorenz HaushochIl y a 28 jours
  • 9:00 " 'everything the president does is legal' which is simply not true" **looks around** please take me to your timeline

    Luna OtimasLuna OtimasIl y a mois
  • Did people get this fussy about other historically inaccurate plays/movies etc? Like, perhaps most famously, Shakespears King Richard? Not historically accurate but still enjoyable for what it is

    LovisaLovisaIl y a mois
  • I'm not american and hamilton made interested in many events, so now i'm a non amreican with very strong opinions about the portrail of Mariah Reynolds throught history

    Coni ConiConi ConiIl y a mois
  • Definitely worth something to get us jazzed on history at least some of us. I know I started to actually read the federalist papers in the wake of Hamilton’s success

    Captain kiwiCaptain kiwiIl y a mois
  • The answer is yes

    Jacques ForêtJacques ForêtIl y a mois
  • I think the problem a lot of people have with it as a work of art is its class/race politics. Using a musical style invented by black people and associated with the working class to valorize the problematic founding figures responsible in part for the stay quo (for the consumption of wealthy Broadway audiences) just doesn't sit right with a lot of people; it reads like a politically correct justification of a messed up place. Then again, you could argue that myths like this perform the necessary function of making people care enough about America as an ideal to want to better it.

    Edgar Allen HoeEdgar Allen HoeIl y a mois
  • Yo, but like the "Uncanny valley of truth" is actually an interesting tool.

    Clément HossaertClément HossaertIl y a mois
  • The reason I don't particularly care for Hamilton is because of the way it's pushed to be "accurate" in mainstream media, and by the show itself. When, truth be told, that is far from it. You can romanticize a time period and have fun with it. No one is saying you can't, but if you do so, do not act like your work is real. That takes away from the stuff that was actually happening. I do think certain romanticized historical rank high in my book (The King and I being one of my favorites), but I also know that in such a story pushing a certain idea that this history was true isn't alright. Many say that this story interested them in history, and I'm happy for them, but it still doesn't erase the fact that the musical claims to be accurate, whilst completely ignoring everything of that time period.

    Maddie whateverMaddie whateverIl y a mois
  • Y'all didnt even touch on the blending of fact and opinion that Hamilton dis guilty of from start to finish. I was more bothered by the glorification of the two party system and cebtralized debt than them pretending that Jefferson showed up after the war as if he didbt know what was happening.

    John LaMartinaJohn LaMartinaIl y a mois
  • Hamilton looks like most dork shit ever lol like rapping in a musical how much more lame can you get 😂😂

    Ricky RodriguezRicky RodriguezIl y a mois
  • *ham fans in the comments* IF U WERE A TRUE FAN OF THE MUSICAL U WOULD KNOW THAT LIN COULDN'T RESIST THE DRAMA OF A LOVE TRIANGLE SO EVEN THOUGH THERE IS LITTLE EVIDENCE OF THEIR LOVE STORY HE MADE LIL WHITE LIES, LIKE SHE HAD NO BROTHERS, WASN'T MARRIED WHEN THEY MET, ETC. But I don't think it makes us dumber, because there will *always* be those "uhm ACTUALLY" folks who cannot resist mentioning things like the above. Or that we don't realllly know why Eliza's letters were never found and Lin made a narrative about it

    Ginger DixyGinger DixyIl y a mois
  • yes

    katpottzkatpottzIl y a mois
  • "Is Hamilton bad" is so clickbaity it hurts. Its not bad but maybe (just maybe) as a viewer you have to look elsewhere for full facts instead of trying to learn all history from a sorce labeled HISTORICAL FICTION. Seems like it makes sense. Real /elements/ still fiction. if you want real history be proactive and find it. Idk how you go into something like Hamilton with an almost all black cast and rap battles and Thomas Jefferson in a purple suit and get mad that the historical accuracy isnt accurate enough for you 😂 its entertainment for gods sake.

    Blackdragon0228Blackdragon0228Il y a mois
  • Hamilton is amazing

    JustThaorJustThaorIl y a mois
  • There are two ways plays, books and movies should be looked at, being based off history. The first is inspired by true events. If you want as much leeway as you can get. But not feel accountable for deviating from the base of what the story is centered around. This is the best way to make a "historical" movie. In fact "The Purge" is actually an "Inspired by true events" movie. The screen play was written, only because someone came to the guy's house, to find they were at the wrong house. Inspired on historical facts means you are as close as you can get with minor hiccups. You follow the history as close as you possibly can, with little to no deviations. "Zodiac" is a movie very close to real events. All the letters, killings and who they believed to be the killer, was followed to a T, from history. The killings in the movie look different, because that's how the witnesses described them. How the suspect acted and the type of watch he had, was part of the police reports too. It did a very good job for being as close to the real thing as possible. I believe they did this in a way of a documentary. Almost to help inspire you, to investigate this killer too. Also, the Assassin's Creed games have started to get more and more historical, you can even take an educated tour of Egypt in Origins now. Not many games can say the same. And that is Really cool about using the game to help rebuild the church. Who said games weren't good for anything?

    Kurtis LawlerKurtis LawlerIl y a mois
  • Is Hamilton bad? Yes, very. Plus all of this information.

    Drudail !Drudail !Il y a mois
  • No. Saved you 16.5 minutes

    Jordan HillJordan HillIl y a mois
  • I think you could also make a lot of the same arguments about films that are based on books.

    luke brydeluke brydeIl y a mois
  • my thoughts: is hamilton bad? no, but if you say it is, then i respect your opinion. is hamilton historically accurate? again, no, people should not be triggered that hamilton isn’t historically accurate, LMM said that he tried his best for 6-7 years fitting history into the musical for 2.5 hours, and he decided to add a little bit of fictional intriguing twists to it. i don’t think hamilton romanticized slave owners, just because philip schuyler (fat her in law of alex) owned slaves doesn’t mean alex did, alex was one of the founding fathers that didn’t own slaves, he wasn’t against slavery nor owned slaves, john laurens was against it. it’s historical fiction, hating hamilton for not being historically accurate is not a reason to hate it, (my opinion) like, other musicals are historical fiction as well. ex: six, newsies, anastasia is hamilton overrated/reverse racism? in my opinion, no. hamilton is a musical hip-hopera designed by people of color to tell the story of america then, told by america now with black and brown artists, latinos, asians, etc. hamilton is not POCwashing the founding fathers as portraying them as people of color. it brought diversity to broadway, it brought diversity to the tonys and the grammys. it even gave a boost to people of color. just remember, you can like the actors but you can also dislike the characters, daveed diggs (who plays lafayette/jefferson) made a song with his band, clipping., called “chapter 319”, a lyric says “d*nald tr*mp is a white supremacist. if you vote for him again, you’re a white supremacist.” and also in an interview, he said if people were to ask him to save a thomas jefferson statue, he said “no, i would tear that m*therf*cker to the ground.”

    faketheatrekidfaketheatrekidIl y a mois
  • So little point was made that wasn't common sense, I'd have to conclude Wisecrack has sunken to coming up with click-baity title before making a video around it. Will be unsubbing if this continues.

    chinechinecheriechinechinecherieIl y a mois
  • I truly believe that an artistic 'interpretation' of historical events should never be consider learning. It should be appreciation of history that should've been already learned already.

    Roach DoggJRRoach DoggJRIl y a mois
  • Over half of this video is not on Hamilton

    Molly _Molly _Il y a mois
  • What upsets me is that for a 3 hr long play Hamilton’s wife had more screen time concerning his affair than her own accomplishments. Miranda gives her one liners to talk about her founding an orphanage and combatting slavery when the musical gives male characters entire songs about one accomplishment/scenario. It came across very off putting how women were treated by Lin Manuel Miranda in this musical, like he rewrote history and still thought women should take a back seat to men

    Susan WSusan WIl y a mois
  • What's the Einstein stuff about? I didn't get the reference.

    Penny LanePenny LaneIl y a mois
  • Angelica Schuyler may have actually had brothers despite the fact Hamilton says otherwise. So Hamilton did tell me wrong, but I'd never have even heard of her and thought to look her up to find out the truth if I hadn't watched Hamilton.

    Richard FinneyRichard FinneyIl y a mois
  • I remember watching movies like Pocahontas and greatest showman and then looking up what the real people were like. I never would have dont this if I had not watched the movies first. I also read Elton John's autobiography after watching his movie. Personally I'm pretty lenient on movies being accurate or not. I feel like people like to make fun of hollywood and popular things whenever we can.

    Clio HasegawaClio HasegawaIl y a mois
  • Hamilton himself makes a joke about Martha Washington naming her cat after him and says "This is actually true" clueing us in that other things may Not be true.

    Ocker3Ocker3Il y a mois
  • I believe biopics are completely entitled to change historical events for dramatic effect. The audience need to be aware of this and be willing to research the truth further in order to broaden their knowledge. We should not be taking biopics at face value.

    Tom HamTom HamIl y a mois
  • This an musical, not a history documentary.

    Mr. RabbitMr. RabbitIl y a mois
  • I don't get any ads for this video but get 2 ads in a row for watching Jimmy Kimmel. Well done YT on supporting real FRworldrs...

    FlickFlickIl y a mois
  • Hamilton’s rap songs sound very forced and make me cringe so hard. It not very well written imo and it comes off as a gimmick marketed towards old white people (which to be fair is largely the broadway audience). they really should have brought in better writers or rappers to seriously polish up many of the trash lines. However, the more traditional musical songs are pretty good. As an overall product I find the play to be rather overrated as a result of the aforementioned issues. As for historical inaccuracies - it struggles with the same issues that pretty much every historically based piece of media targeted at mainstream audiences.

    Nicholas HashimNicholas HashimIl y a mois
  • If you rely on entertainment for your history lesson you get what you deserve; a nation of morons.

    no_one_of_that_name_hereno_one_of_that_name_hereIl y a mois
  • Reminds me how Mel Gibson “historical” movies are full of lies

    Olivia WilliamsOlivia WilliamsIl y a mois
  • Not accurate, Funny ...tell me what story about history is all truth.

    Debbie JensenDebbie JensenIl y a mois
  • I have seem it 9 times. I catch moments that I feel wow I missed that

    Debbie JensenDebbie JensenIl y a mois
  • I don't know if it's bad. All I know is it's kinda pretty dam boring. When I'm asked how I feel about the show I say, 'its alright' but that's because I saw it for nearly free on disneyplus. If I had spent 800 dollars for the cheapest tickets to see it live and this is what I saw.....I would be pissed beyond believe and probably call it the worst thing ever. Perspective.

    Dullfang2Dullfang2Il y a mois
  • I'm a big Hamilton fan, but I don't pretend it's a history lesson. It's also super corny, depending on how you look at it. But I love musicals first and foremost, and it's an excellent musical. All musicals are corny to some extent. And it did make me want to learn more about US history, so I did.

    paulapaulaIl y a mois
  • Why is no one up in arms over the "cultural appropriation" of an almost all-black cast representing almost all-white historical figures?

    Jack HagertyJack HagertyIl y a mois
    • @Jack Hagerty C'mon man, we both have the same resources. The way I see it, and how Google explains it, cultural appropriation is the use of traditional icons by an outside entity in a satiracle or mocking manor. IE. The whole Halloween costume debate. In Hamilton, Americans are depicting other Americans, which I believe was the point Miranda was trying to make; the color of your skin color doesn't define your heritage.

      Chaise MauriceChaise MauriceIl y a mois
    • @Chaise Maurice - Please, enlighten me (seriously).

      Jack HagertyJack HagertyIl y a mois
    • Because that's not what cultural appropriation is

      Chaise MauriceChaise MauriceIl y a mois
  • yes but no yes but maybe

    Kamil BorkowskiKamil BorkowskiIl y a mois
  • Sees title... 💫💫yes💫💫

    Erin AtkinsonErin AtkinsonIl y a mois
  • Yes.

    TheInator1234TheInator1234Il y a mois
  • There’s ‘creative licence’ and there’s.....lying

    Christopher FluxChristopher FluxIl y a mois
  • Most comments are: Hamilton stans Will be mad. And it didn't happened.

    Guara MalanGuara MalanIl y a mois
  • I dont know Mckay's portrayal of Cheaney as a 5D chess seems flattering to me. I suppose for an average dude like me being brought to life by Adam Mckay would not be the worst thing. I wonder what scares Michael about his life that a Mckay biopic will could butcher.

    Leiryc PanizaleaLeiryc PanizaleaIl y a mois
  • If you have to ask if it's bad, there's your answer. This is the lesser of two evils argument while trying to be optimistic explaining your reason (i.e. lies).

    Mike EstradaMike EstradaIl y a mois
  • Some times the stans need to stand down 🙊🤔

    chokotorachokotoraIl y a mois
  • I think what you really want to ask us the public audience have we stopped using our critical thinking skills, questioning the narrative and narrator, looking at the work in proper context, questioning the bias of the narrative, and being able to simply appreciate the work for what it is, do your personal research, come out of your own uncanny valley, question your own personal beliefs and biases, and come out enlightened on information you may not have known before. Or you can just enjoy a not accurate musical not judging either way.

    TheWonderGirl23TheWonderGirl23Il y a mois
  • I can see both sides here (and believe me, I _absolutely hate_ "bothsidesing")... On one hand, there's totally nothing wrong with taking a tongue-in-cheek approach and making sort of a "historical satire." On the other hand, "historical satire" can run the risk of being not only "inaccurate," but "obfuscating." Thesis, check. Antithesis, check... Where ya'll keepin the Synthesis?

    Drew KosonenDrew KosonenIl y a mois
  • Two words: Black Adder.

    SiGeVeux M.H.CreationsSiGeVeux M.H.CreationsIl y a mois
  • I guess this is why we’re supposed to learn history in /school/ 😂

    Finnian WolfFinnian WolfIl y a mois
  • The show is from the “perspective” of Hamilton/Burr/whoever’s narrating the song. So of course Hamilton sees himself as a hero and Jefferson as a punk, etc. If the musical were called “Jefferson” then maybe Hamilton would be the villain. It’s a freaking musical lol

    KirstenKirstenIl y a mois
    • Exactly. If the show was called “King George”, it would be a sad musical with a sad ending (losing the war). This is why Washington is portrayed as an amazing hero, and not necessarily a horrible slave owner.

      Just a random theater nerdJust a random theater nerdIl y a mois
  • Hey do you guys like Gladiator or Braveheart? Got bad news for ya

    Joshua BaileyJoshua BaileyIl y a mois
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